And Cummings now caught breaking (quite clearly) the travel / isolation rules six weeks ago to his parents in Durham... possibly whilst symptomatic - and with one of his kids...Reported and spoken to by the police at the time. In normal times - with a normal government heíd be walking the plank right now. My money is on nothing happening....
I find it extremely difficult to believe that anti vaxers are really so isolated from reason. It's not as though the benefits of vaccination aren't known widely, massively publicised and repeated endlessly. There are valid reasons for making decisions or holding views many might disagree with, but crap like vaccine scepticism and the 5G /CV19 conspiracy is utterly idiotic. I really don't think there's much excuse for it.
Iím not sure whatís worse about this - the fact he quite clearly wonít resign (despite Ferguson having to do so for a much lesser infringement), or that the BBCís political editor is on Twitter directly defending him quoting an Ďunnamed sourceí again. If ever there was any doubt about her independence. The whole thing fucking stinks.
The difference between them are the motivation for breaking the rules.
I honestly couldn't give a shit. All I'm interested in is a bit of objectivity.
Just going on the surface of what's known about the two cases, to say that twice breaking lockdown to go out and shag your married lover is 'a much lesser infringement' than taking your kids to be looked after whilst both parents are self-isolating with covid, is clearly false.
Motivation clearly isnít nonsense in the theatre of public opinion - which is the context for whether or not he goes (and is the currency in which people deal on this thread - not objective facts). I agree motivation is irrelevant to how a virus behaves. If only we were all as objective as covid19. And youíre still not acknowledging that one case clearly broke the rules (twice), while the other case - based on whatís known so far - possibly involves bending the rules as per the caveat published in the guidance. Very different. Whether you or I think they (the family) were wrong to do so is the realms of public opinion. But the fact is that according to the guidance it looks like they may have operated within it.
Quote from: petejh on May 23, 2020, 12:59:06 pmI honestly couldn't give a shit. All I'm interested in is a bit of objectivity. Itís funny how often your attempts to defend this govt are accompanied by this same caveat Pete.Ali, I'm not interested in defending any government tory or labour. I'm interested in what's true and what's bullshit, and you're talking bullshit because you're biased. That to me is the bigger crime because it means what you say can't be taken at face value, which I think is a pretty sad state. You were talking shit because, from the facts you were aware of, you were incorrect to say that a person who twice broke lockdown to fuck his lover was a lesser infringement than someone who was acting within the caveats published in the covid guidance.If, as Matt points out from an article published at 7.30pm this evening, more facts emerge that Cummins is talking shit then you'd end up being correct, but you'd have arrived at that point not by basing your opinion on facts.
Pete - have you read the article his wife wrote in The Spectator magazine many weeks ago? Either she was lying in that, or the statement put out by No 10 earlier today (and associated quotes from Ďa source close to Cummingsí last night) was a pack of lies.
You can just about get away with what Cummings did
University College London professor Susan Michie, a member of Sage, told Sky News there was no question that what Cummings had done broke the guidance. ďIt appears that three rules have been broken. One is leaving the house when youíre symptomatic, another is travelling far distances and staying overnight elsewhere, and the third is having a person Ė in this case a child Ė go from one household to another household. The problem about having different rules for different people is that it breaks the trust of the people in those who are issuing the guidelines.Ē
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