[BrutusTheBear]

As you've said though wells I don't think truss could win a general election, as long as she doesn't wreck the gaff too much in the mean time, there's light at the end of the tunnel.

  More of a damp squib at the end of a tunnel but I see your point...that's better than the eye level sewerage we are currently experiencing.

[TobyD]

As you've said though wells I don't think truss could win a general election, as long as she doesn't wreck the gaff too much in the mean time, there's light at the end of the tunnel.

I think that she definitely could,  I really wouldn't underestimate her.  She's not popular with the country generally at the moment but she's got considerable political experience and can clearly campaign to an electorate effectively.

[Moo]

I think the sound bite of her saying British workers are lazy will leave her pretty much dead in the water, it's not just what she said so much as how she said it.

[Paul B]

I think that she definitely could,  I really wouldn't underestimate her.  She's not popular with the country generally at the moment but she's got considerable political experience and can clearly campaign to an electorate effectively.

I'm not sure that's true, the more the Tory candidates saw of her, the more their opinion of her dropped; I'm not sure dropping out of BBC interviews (as an example) is a sustainable direction?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/03/the-more-tory-voters-see-of-liz-truss-the-less-they-like-her-polls-show

[Will Hunt]

Before we all get our hopes up it's worth bearing in mind that it's actually very hard for Labour to win an election if Scotland continues to vote nationalist. Maybe a hung parliament?

[TobyD]

I think that she definitely could,  I really wouldn't underestimate her.  She's not popular with the country generally at the moment but she's got considerable political experience and can clearly campaign to an electorate effectively.

I'm not sure that's true, the more the Tory candidates saw of her, the more their opinion of her dropped; I'm not sure dropping out of BBC interviews (as an example) is a sustainable direction?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/03/the-more-tory-voters-see-of-liz-truss-the-less-they-like-her-polls-show

The membership loved her though, and that's who she pitched to by telling them what they wanted to hear. I'm sure she's capable of dropping all that to pitch to the wider electorate.
Boris Johnson did perfectly fine avoiding any difficult interviews for the past 3 years, I'm sure Truss will do exactly the same.

I'm not saying I approve of her as a PM incidentally, I just wouldn't underestimate her. I think her economic policy is batshit crazy.

[teestub]

Some tippy top cabinet choices so far as one might expect 🤮🤮🤮

[seankenny]

Our new Foreign Secretary has held one secretarial post before, Education Security… which he held for a day under two months!

Truly a cabinet of all the talents.

[SA Chris]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liz-truss-energy-bill-uk-package-plan-b2160759.html

Further add to national debt while the energy companies make insane profits. Good start.

[Carliios]

Therese Coffey, new health secretary who is against abortions. How long before they reverse abortion laws in this country. Probably not long especially since she’s sworn she won’t undo them and we all know what happens when a Tory says one thing, they do the complete opposite.

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Therese Coffey, new health secretary who is against abortions. How long before they reverse abortion laws in this country. Probably not long especially since she’s sworn she won’t undo them and we all know what happens when a Tory says one thing, they do the complete opposite.

Optimistically, I don't think the public would allow this to happen in the UK.

[Carliios]

Therese Coffey, new health secretary who is against abortions. How long before they reverse abortion laws in this country. Probably not long especially since she’s sworn she won’t undo them and we all know what happens when a Tory says one thing, they do the complete opposite.

Optimistically, I don't think the public would allow this to happen in the UK.

The British public are the most passive people in the world. I doubt they’d do much other than a few protests if the tories came out saying they were gonna shut down the NHS and privatise healthcare. As you can tell I’m not as optimistic…

[Will Hunt]

A lot has been made of Coffey's abortion views, but haven't these been expressed in free votes on abortion issues (such as at-home abortion pills) when they've arisen? I'm not aware that she's actively campaigned against abortion, nor has any recent government tried to directly curtail abortion rights? Thank God, we don't have a culture war about it in this country, so it seems sensationalist to suggest that the Tories are about to try and ban abortions.

Coffey might be a Catholic in her private life, but that doesn't mean that she can't govern secularly and let people make their own decisions.

Apologies for seeming to defend the Tories. Please resume bashing them.

[Johnny Brown]

Not seeing much of this astute political operator from Truss so far. Showing no awareness of the need to shore up support amongst MPs - the majority of whom didn't support her. No sign of the swivel from hard-right rhetoric to pandering to the electorate either. I give her six months.

[Will Hunt]

Rees Mogg in charge of energy and industrial strategy was the big gut punch for me. I look forward to my new employment scurrying beneath cotton jennies collecting dropped strands of fibre, all powered with lovely lovely coal. God save the Queen!

[teestub]

Rees Mogg in charge of energy and industrial strategy was the big gut punch for me.

Nothing like a climate change skeptic in charge of energy strategy! Maybe there’ll be a boon for the north when he reopens t’pits.

[Carliios]

A lot has been made of Coffey's abortion views, but haven't these been expressed in free votes on abortion issues (such as at-home abortion pills) when they've arisen? I'm not aware that she's actively campaigned against abortion, nor has any recent government tried to directly curtail abortion rights? Thank God, we don't have a culture war about it in this country, so it seems sensationalist to suggest that the Tories are about to try and ban abortions.

Coffey might be a Catholic in her private life, but that doesn't mean that she can't govern secularly and let people make their own decisions.

Apologies for seeming to defend the Tories. Please resume bashing them.

To have a Health Secretary place her personal beliefs above those of ruling medical bodies and vote against at home abortion pills for me sets off alarms. I’m also surprised you would think better than this tory government rolling back waves of legislature. This new cabinet is composed of members who want to shrink the state and dismantle as many laws as they can. Why do you think they’re pushing to leave things like the ECHR?

I can’t believe you’d even give them the benefit of the doubt 

[Will Hunt]

To have a Health Secretary place her personal beliefs above those of ruling medical bodies and vote against at home abortion pills for me sets off alarms.

When Coffey voted on that legislation she was Work and Pensions secretary.

I’m also surprised you would think better than this tory government rolling back waves of legislature.

Why do you suggest that I think the Tories won't attempt to de-regulate? Of course they will, they've campaigned on it, they never shut up about it. What I doubt is that they'll pursue a policy of banning abortion or making significant incursions into abortion rights, which (bar the starting of a culture war) would be incredibly unpopular in this country across almost all demographics.

This new cabinet is composed of members who want to shrink the state and dismantle as many laws as they can.

Erm, what? They want to shrink the state, and get rid of lots of regulation. They don't want to "dismantle as many laws as they can".

Why do you think they’re pushing to leave things like the ECHR?

So they can be cunts to migrants and criminals, among other reasons. I don't think widescale rolling back of abortion laws is specifically one of the reasons.

[Carliios]

To have a Health Secretary place her personal beliefs above those of ruling medical bodies and vote against at home abortion pills for me sets off alarms.

When Coffey voted on that legislation she was Work and Pensions secretary.

I’m also surprised you would think better than this tory government rolling back waves of legislature.

Why do you suggest that I think the Tories won't attempt to de-regulate? Of course they will, they've campaigned on it, they never shut up about it. What I doubt is that they'll pursue a policy of banning abortion or making significant incursions into abortion rights, which (bar the starting of a culture war) would be incredibly unpopular in this country across almost all demographics.

This new cabinet is composed of members who want to shrink the state and dismantle as many laws as they can.

Erm, what? They want to shrink the state, and get rid of lots of regulation. They don't want to "dismantle as many laws as they can".

Why do you think they’re pushing to leave things like the ECHR?

So they can be cunts to migrants and criminals, among other reasons. I don't think widescale rolling back of abortion laws is specifically one of the reasons.

Just because something is unpopular doesn’t mean they won’t roll it back. It was incredibly unpopular in the US as well but it happened anyways and they’re far more switched on when it comes to protesting and standing against their government. British citizens are too placated and docile.

Dismantling laws and deregulation go hand in hand. If there are laws that help regulate banking for example and they remove those, thats deregulation. One and the same.

Anyways the abortion thing is just one piece of the pie. They’re all cunts, at least we can agree on that and as an immigrant myself, I’m worried braverman will be doing her best to make my life more difficult.

[petejh]

Rees Mogg in charge of energy and industrial strategy was the big gut punch for me. I look forward to my new employment scurrying beneath cotton jennies collecting dropped strands of fibre, all powered with lovely lovely coal. God save the Queen!

Rejoice, it'll be good for reducing lichen. (And increasing my investment account).

[Wellsy]

You'll forgive me if your investment account isn't high on my list of concerns

Investing in coal is a fucking terrible idea because Climate Change. That's it. End of story.

[Will Hunt]

Dismantling laws and deregulation go hand in hand. If there are laws that help regulate banking for example and they remove those, thats deregulation. One and the same.

Yes, I know. Duh. You said they want to set about dismantling as many laws as they could, which is a stupid thing to say. They're not going to repeal the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act; and they're set to defend the Nationality and Borders Act (that's the one that tries to send people to Rwanda). There are lots and lots and lots of laws that they have no interest in repealing or diluting.

My point was that I can't see them touching abortion rights - the only way it could serve them is if it becomes a distractionary culture wars issue, which it is in America, but here there's more fertile issues for them to play to their advantage.

[seankenny]

The new foreign secretary likes painting Warhammer figurines.

https://twitter.com/cinemashoebox/status/1567436199907807232

We are being ruled by the likes of Fiend!

(Sorry Fiend couldn’t resist.)

[Fiend]

Not sure it's a redeeming enougb feature. For him, nor me!

[Oldmanmatt]

Judging by today’s jungle drums and Dit telegraph; she’s put a massive dent in her serving/veteran support base (a huge chunk of the enlisted grouping and not a few Officers); by give Johnny the boot. His wife has opinions about her too. I quite like the image of Truss as “Beaker” from the Muppets.