She's not trying to appeal to the general public, she's talking to the tory membership who will elect her or Sunak. So she's saying things they like to hear. Like Toby says if she's elected then, if she has any sense, she'll probably start talking differently to appeal to a wider general public electorate. That's when their real policies will emerge blinking in the daylight. It's all bullshit, uttered by wankers, listened to mostly by arseholes, and reported on by cunts. I may have got the order the wrong way around.
She's not trying to appeal to the general public, she's talking to the tory membership who will elect her or Sunak. So she's saying things they like to hear. Like Toby says if she's elected then, if she has any sense, she'll probably start talking differently to appeal to a wider general public electorate.
If she (or less likely Sunak) had any morals / sense of fair play they would call a GE after they have been installed.
This. But also, any politician of any party would be stupid and politically incompetent to call a general election now, in the midst of the current inflationary environment when they don't need to hold one until 2024 at latest. Gives them time for things to calm down, whether or not they're capable of doing anything much to solve the problems.
Given Gordon Brown came into office via a complete stitch up which didn't even involve a leadership contest I think it would be an easy line to counter.
Perhaps an unpopular view but voting for an MP and hence a majority party is better than a presidential system precisely because we can change Prime Ministers in-between elections.
Quote from: seankenny on August 18, 2022, 03:24:33 pmPerhaps an unpopular view but voting for an MP and hence a majority party is better than a presidential system precisely because we can change Prime Ministers in-between elections. I think I’ve always misunderstood this, I thought that countries with presidents had them alongside a PM figure (Leader of the House etc.) and they we didn’t have a president because the monarch was still fulfilling that role?
Quote from: teestub on August 18, 2022, 03:41:19 pmQuote from: seankenny on August 18, 2022, 03:24:33 pmPerhaps an unpopular view but voting for an MP and hence a majority party is better than a presidential system precisely because we can change Prime Ministers in-between elections. I think I’ve always misunderstood this, I thought that countries with presidents had them alongside a PM figure (Leader of the House etc.) and they we didn’t have a president because the monarch was still fulfilling that role?The Presidents of France and the US get - as far as I understand it - a personal mandate to rule from the electorate, and the head of state role also has executive powers. Whereas we vote for MPs to be our representatives and then they vote for a leader, mediated by a party system which gives members a day (too much say in my view). I remember reading that parliamentary systems are thought to be a bit more stable than presidential ones, and that the US view (or at least the view of its policy making class) generally supported this assessment, being as they installed parliamentary systems in Germany, Japan and Iraq.
https://news.sky.com/story/michael-gove-backs-rishi-sunak-for-tory-leader-as-he-accuses-liz-truss-of-taking-holiday-from-reality-12677032
"I cannot see how safeguarding the stock options of FTSE 100 executives should ever take precedence over supporting the poorest in our society, but at a time of want it cannot be the right priority."
If Gove thinks you are mental you may be fucking insane
On Truss, I think you're all underestimating her, I think she is if anything, a more worrying prospect than Johnson.