[nai]

Last night that meant a session spread over three hours

I think I'd be asking myself whether I could be using those 3 hours more productively training differently.

[cheque]

Sorry, it just made me laugh to read the example of things that are my long term goals- the suggestion's good and I could easily substitute stuff that I can do instead. Should have put the winky face instead of the laughing one.

[Nutty]

If I remember rightly, one of the reasons for doing the integrated strength approach is that the non-fingerboarding strength exercises trigger a greater hormonal response because they involve the larger muscles in the body rather than just the forearms with the idea being that this increased hormonal response will lead to better increased strength vs. fingerboarding alone.

[SA Chris]

Last night that meant a session spread over three hours

I think I'd be asking myself whether I could be using those 3 hours more productively training differently.

To quote Jake Heke " too much weights, not enough speedwork, useless...."

[shark]

Teach me to share. Sorry. Won’t happen again.

[SA Chris]

There there..

[teestub]

Teach me to share. Sorry. Won’t happen again.

I mean I guess maybe you misread ‘rest 3-5 minutes’ as ‘rest 35 minutes’? 

[tomtom]

Teach me to share. Sorry. Won’t happen again.

I mean I guess maybe you misread ‘rest 3-5 minutes’ as ‘rest 35 minutes’? 

Whats wrong with having a long break whilst gossiping away...

[nai]

Can't find it at the moment but I'm sure I've read that prolonged rests aren't beneficial and why you should stick to rest times. It was very scientific from memory so probably Eric Horst.

[Bradders]

Last night that meant a session spread over three hours of six progressive hangs with increasing weight and followed by three hangs at the heaviest weight until I was on the decline.

Yeah hate to jump on the "let's all tell Shark what he's doing wrong" bandwagon (I mean, if you haven't learned not to share by now after all the Oak sessions I don't think you ever will) but...

That's just nowhere near intense enough! Training is about ramping up intensity/progressive overload over time, and that includes both load and rest. I'm willing to bet that your actual efforts are well below your max because you'll be getting so cold between attempts. Your nervous system will literally be turning itself off after a few minutes.

If I remember rightly, one of the reasons for doing the integrated strength approach is that the non-fingerboarding strength exercises trigger a greater hormonal response because they involve the larger muscles in the body rather than just the forearms with the idea being that this increased hormonal response will lead to better increased strength vs. fingerboarding alone.

Yes that's an argument Bechtel makes quite strongly.

Obviously the protocol in general doesn't work all the time and will depend on the rest of your training schedule and history but well worth experimenting with.

[teestub]

If I remember rightly, one of the reasons for doing the integrated strength approach is that the non-fingerboarding strength exercises trigger a greater hormonal response because they involve the larger muscles in the body rather than just the forearms with the idea being that this increased hormonal response will lead to better increased strength vs. fingerboarding alone.

Yes that's an argument Bechtel makes quite strongly.

Obviously the protocol in general doesn't work all the time and will depend on the rest of your training schedule and history but well worth experimenting with.

I seem to remember someone (Duncan, nai?) fairly recently posting some newer research that refuted this hormonal response stuff, but can’t find it.

[Stu Littlefair]

Teach me to share. Sorry. Won’t happen again.

The lesson isn't to stop sharing, it's to start listening....

[tomtom]

Teach me to share. Sorry. Won’t happen again.

The lesson isn't to stop sharing, it's to start listening....

:D :D :D

[jwi]

I seem to remember someone (Duncan, nai?) fairly recently posting some newer research that refuted this hormonal response stuff, but can’t find it.

For being sport-science this study has pretty decent (n=49) sample-size. It finds that

No significant correlations between the acute postexercise rise in any purported anabolic hormone and the change in strength or hypertrophy were found. In congruence with our previous work, acute postexercise systemic hormonal rises are not related to or in any way indicative of RT-mediated gains in muscle mass or strength.

I may be great to combine fingerboarding and deadlifts anyway, but now it has to be shown in practice as it doesn't follow from any basic principles.

[teestub]

Thanks for the SCIENCE

[Rob F]

Sounds like Shark's on the Bulgarian Method. You guys need to Google Abadjiev Protocol and keep up...

[highrepute]

I seem to remember someone (Duncan, nai?) fairly recently posting some newer research that refuted this hormonal response stuff, but can’t find it.

For being sport-science this study has pretty decent (n=49) sample-size. It finds that

No significant correlations between the acute postexercise rise in any purported anabolic hormone and the change in strength or hypertrophy were found. In congruence with our previous work, acute postexercise systemic hormonal rises are not related to or in any way indicative of RT-mediated gains in muscle mass or strength.

It's very hard to understand what that sentence actually means.

Are they saying that if you measure hormones post exercise then the hormone levels have to relation to muscle mass/strength.

That doesn't say anything about whether doing squats after fingerboarding will lead to more finger gains.

[jwi]

It say something about the hormones that increase as a consequence of strength training which has been suggested as anabolic. Specifically it says that they could not find any relationship between the increase in any of these hormones and increased strength or muscle size.

Bechel has theorised that since working big muscle groups => bigger increase in (purported anabolic) hormones, and  increase in (purported anabolic) hormones => increase in strength/size. Therefore finger boarding should be combined with deadlifts/squats whatever. Since the second implication does not seems to be true, the theorising is invalid. The conclusion (finger boarding should be combined with deadlifts/squats whatever) might still be valid.