[monkoffunk]

To be honest I didn’t really film it for evidence, to start with was just filming to help me remember beta. I was quite pleased to see the rain on the lens after, gave me a bit of perspective. I do film some boulders these days, that feels more like locals sharing beta, something I’m grateful for others doing.

I think it’s a shame the top guys need to film for evidence these days, but they undoubtedly do given the past controversies. Not sure about this whole action direct thing. A video would have put it all to bed!

[Coops_13]

Grade for burrowing down into the endless jumble clefts??

7A if you’re short, helps if you’re gangly I would guess

[petejh]

I’m mostly coming at this from the position of desiring a state of not feeling the need to prove to others. Even the term ‘evidence’ makes my skin crawl, are we in fucking court being judged?

The blame for that lies firmly with pricks people climbing at a non-cutting edge standard and who chose to turn a mere enjoyable pastime - the act of climbing up rock/ice/snow - into one of the entertainment professions for the sole purpose of being a salesperson for selling more equipment and clothing.  All professions require credentials. This is just that.

Nobody in their right mind who has solid self regard should care if anyone else believes they climbed something. But if they’re a professional then they have to prove their worth. Sucks to be them in that position if they have any issues over self-worth.

[Mr E S Capegoat]

‘Solid self regard’ is pretty hard to come by. Not sure I know anyone with that. I’d imagine they’d be pretty  scary. You can’t have security without insecurity

[tomtom]

Solid self regard sounds like a Victorian description of an erection 😃

[Bonjoy]

I’m mostly coming at this from the position of desiring a state of not feeling the need to prove to others. Even the term ‘evidence’ makes my skin crawl, are we in fucking court being judged?

The blame for that lies firmly with pricks people climbing at a non-cutting edge standard and who chose to turn a mere enjoyable pastime - the act of climbing up rock/ice/snow - into one of the entertainment professions for the sole purpose of being a salesperson for selling more equipment and clothing.  All professions require credentials. This is just that.

Nobody in their right mind who has solid self regard should care if anyone else believes they climbed something. But if they’re a professional then they have to prove their worth. Sucks to be them in that position if they have any issues over self-worth.

I've yet to meet anyone, climber or otherwise, who'd be totally fine being called a liar.

[Mr E S Capegoat]

Back on track was the big D’s stuff ever cleared up back in the day? Or is widdop wall still up for grabs?

Enquiries by post to Mr. A Jackx, Timbuktu Cottage, Kniperswaite, Saddleworth

[cowboyhat]

Simmonite has seen the slides, motor shutter sequence

[Mr E S Capegoat]

I’ve never heard kryptonite come out with BS so must be true

[cheque]

Mystery belayer speaks!

Knowing that I am absolutely offended by what I have been reading for a few days and that I am intervening here at the sole request of my friends who find absolutely unfair what is happening , I will be brief and concise.
My name is Michael Fromm, born on 13 January 1982 in Landau in der Pfalz and currently living in Westheim.
I am the one who belayed Said Belhaj when he sent Action Directe on 27 October 2018.
To answer your questions: yes he sent the whole route, yes he did the crux (and pretty well if you wan't my opinion) and yes I deleted my insta account for personal reasons that do not concern you.
my personal email is Michael 67@photographer.net if some serious and objectif journalist want more details. I will not enter in your witch hunt on this forum or another.

[Fiend]

Well now 

[36chambers]

Mystery belayer speaks!

and the comment just below it

I am also Michael Fromm, also born on 13 January 1982, also in Landau in der Pfalz. Along with the first Micheal Fromm I also saw Said redpoint Action Directe. Now that there are not 1 but 2 Micheal Fromms who confirm Said's historic ascent we should certainly put this controversy to rest!

[owensum]

Bisharat on Said: https://eveningsends.com/the-purge-lies-and-call-outs-in-climbing/

[AMorris]

What an absolute shit show that thread is.

Wonder if they think the same when they get lost and end up here?

[CrimpyMcCrimpface]

This thread and the SB controversy has been the best advent calendar/Christmas present ever 

[Plattsy]

The SB saga continues.
Mystery belayer has answered questions for an Italian website and given further background.
His story doesn't totally tally with SBs.
Folk on 8A.nu are interrogating him.
SB has told Jens he isn't the belayer!

[Coops_13]

The SB saga continues.
Mystery belayer has answered questions for an Italian website and given further background.
His story doesn't totally tally with SBs.
Folk on 8A.nu are interrogating him.
SB has told Jens he isn't the belayer!

that's bonkers

[SA Chris]

I'm the belayer

No I'm the belayer

No I'm the belayer and so is my wife.

[shurt]

Maybe SB just needs to look on the bright side of life...

[tomtom]

Clearly we need video evidence of the belayer belaying SB 😃

[highrepute]

here is the interview with the belayer it's so wierd this

[webbo]

He has been climbing since the age of 6 but never climbed in the Frankenjura despite his brother living in the area.
Unless as he says he started at age 6 and he has climbed indoors for 5 years and he is now 11.

[owensum]

In that interview with the "belayer" they say they couldn't confirm they were talking to a real person. So, journalistic standards out of the window then?

 "I never climbed anything in Frankenjura, since I’m not really a rock climber. "
" I decided to make a detour toward AD, just in case anyone was trying it"
"as AD is a very difficult route but also very short, as everybody knows."

Seems to know a lot about AD despite never having climbed there and not being a rock climber.

Apparently Jens talked to Said who said this guy wasn't the belayer and therefore a troll.

[User deactivated]

here is the interview with the belayer it's so wierd this

All a load of shite isn't it. Maybe it Was Said trying to cover his trail and he got found out by the IP adress stuff on 8a, who knows.

What is clear at this point is he isn't to be believed, in my mind at least.

[SA Chris]

I reckon it's all an elaborate wind up put together by several people.