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#200 Re: IFSC 2019
August 19, 2019, 03:59:54 pm

It is mildly amusing, but got to feel for the guy if he doesn't get there. Also, I'm not acquainted with lead comp scoring; if you stand on a bolt, is that complete disqualification, and nil points? Or do you still get a score for the climbing up to where you stand on the bolt?

You get scored for up to where you stood on the bolt (same if you miss a clip or something - you get scored up until the last position the settters think you could have clipped from)

There are 3 comps providing a direct qualification route to Tokyo, not including a"wild card" slot and some countries will have more than 2 athletes qualifying. The national governing bodies will then select their favourite 2 of each gender even though more athletes might have "qualified".

probably realistically only an issue for the Slovs/Japs.

more accurate description would prob be

"will qualify for consideration by their national governing body for selection as one of the top 2 athletes by gender for selection to the Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympic Games."

What are the other two comps?

The Toulouse Qualifier in late November (from which 6 climbers will qualify), and the Continental Championships in spring next year (of which there are five: Africa, Asia, Europe, Pan-Am and Oceania - with spaces for one climber per continent).
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#201 Re: IFSC 2019
August 19, 2019, 04:11:31 pm
Bolt was very low so doubt it would make a difference?

Ah OK, didn't know. Didn't he cock up badly once in a comp before, stepping back off first move or something?

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#202 Re: IFSC 2019
August 19, 2019, 04:11:41 pm
I think he (Ondra) needs a speed result to get to Toulouse.

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#203 Re: IFSC 2019
August 19, 2019, 04:12:38 pm
He's got nothing, Toulouse.

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#204 Re: IFSC 2019
August 19, 2019, 05:21:51 pm
Bolt was very low so doubt it would make a difference?

Ah OK, didn't know. Didn't he cock up badly once in a comp before, stepping back off first move or something?

Think it was cham a couple of years ago where he went to clip 2 bolts at the same time. The lower one didn't seat properly and popped out after he'd clipped the top one meaning he'd 'skipped' a bolt which meant he was called off the route.

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#205 Re: IFSC 2019
August 20, 2019, 08:20:33 am
Question for Graeme (or anybody else who knows):

Japan now has four men & four women in the World Championship top seven. I read somewhere that all eight are now eligible for nomination, and they’ll decide who to send after the Japanese nationals next year.

Is this correct, or do the places automatically go to the top finishers in the WC final?

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#206 Re: IFSC 2019
August 20, 2019, 08:59:28 am

Think it was cham a couple of years ago where he went to clip 2 bolts at the same time. The lower one didn't seat properly and popped out after he'd clipped the top one meaning he'd 'skipped' a bolt which meant he was called off the route.

That was it. Ta

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#207 Re: IFSC 2019
August 20, 2019, 12:45:37 pm
Great combined event this morning - felt for Shauna ending up in 3rd after it started so well but great to see Janja pull it back after a shaky start! First time I've ever watched a full speed event (whilst walking to work)...

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#208 Re: IFSC 2019
August 20, 2019, 01:13:19 pm
Great combined event this morning - felt for Shauna ending up in 3rd after it started so well but great to see Janja pull it back after a shaky start! First time I've ever watched a full speed event (whilst walking to work)...

I imagine Shauna will pretty pleased with bronze - probably knew that she would need 1st or 2nd in bouldering to compete for top 2 medals.  Pleased that the foot touch on the bolt didn't affect the overall result, without it she would have been 4th on lead which shows how much progress she's made in a short time.   

Impressive finish by Janja but not as dominant as might have expected, if Akiyo had held the last move on the lead she would have won gold.

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#209 Re: IFSC 2019
August 20, 2019, 02:25:11 pm
I though the whole finals was brilliant and the format works. IFSC must be pretty happy.

Good that a speed climber can make the final but not looking likely that they could win. Speed climbing is a great watch when its between equally matched climbers and an easy place to f**k up if your going for it.

Good effort Shauna and good to see that it wont be a walk in the park for janja although i cant help but think she would normally do better in the speed. The mens should be equally competitive. Fingers crossed.

The only issue is that of the bolts. Climbing shouldn't be about avoiding things and i would have thought it could easily be corrected. Didnt effect the result for Shauna, but could have, and royally messed things up for Ondra although he seemed off par in the whole event (and the last) to be fair so maybe the correct result. Some kind of cover cap on the bolt head that stops it being pushed off would sort the issue then your allowed to touch it with your foot.

I think Ondra is trying to hard. Still looks like the best climber a lot of the time but not getting the finals right. He looked steady eddy before he slipped of in the the lead final.

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#210 Re: IFSC 2019
August 20, 2019, 07:57:04 pm
Good that a speed climber can make the final but not looking likely that they could win. Speed climbing is a great watch when its between equally matched climbers and an easy place to f**k up if your going for it.

They do kind of look like they don’t really know what they are doing, the non speed specialists. Having never watched speed climbing before I don’t know what the specialists look like, but makes them look much more punterish. Maybe that’s good for viewers...

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#211 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 10:55:47 am
I though the whole finals was brilliant and the format works. IFSC must be pretty happy.

Good that a speed climber can make the final but not looking likely that they could win. Speed climbing is a great watch when its between equally matched climbers and an easy place to f**k up if your going for it.

Good effort Shauna and good to see that it wont be a walk in the park for janja although i cant help but think she would normally do better in the speed. The mens should be equally competitive. Fingers crossed.

The only issue is that of the bolts. Climbing shouldn't be about avoiding things and i would have thought it could easily be corrected. Didnt effect the result for Shauna, but could have, and royally messed things up for Ondra although he seemed off par in the whole event (and the last) to be fair so maybe the correct result. Some kind of cover cap on the bolt head that stops it being pushed off would sort the issue then your allowed to touch it with your foot.

I think Ondra is trying to hard. Still looks like the best climber a lot of the time but not getting the finals right. He looked steady eddy before he slipped of in the the lead final.

Not 100% on this (and too lazy to check), but i dont think he wiuld have qualified even if he had been awarded his high point on the lead wall.

Enjoyed the format overall. Wonder who the japanese selectors will pick?

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#212 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 11:42:20 am
He would have qualified for the final and the olympics. Also Sean Mcoll would not have qualified for the olympics so it has had a big bearing on the outcome.

Mens has been great so far as well, just starting the lead and Tomoa is dominating. If he gets less than 6th in the lead hes won.

Megos has had to drop out after injuring his finger on the 1st boulder problem.

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#213 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 12:53:23 pm
I though the whole finals was brilliant and the format works. IFSC must be pretty happy.

Good that a speed climber can make the final but not looking likely that they could win. Speed climbing is a great watch when its between equally matched climbers and an easy place to f**k up if your going for it.

Good effort Shauna and good to see that it wont be a walk in the park for janja although i cant help but think she would normally do better in the speed. The mens should be equally competitive. Fingers crossed.

The only issue is that of the bolts. Climbing shouldn't be about avoiding things and i would have thought it could easily be corrected. Didnt effect the result for Shauna, but could have, and royally messed things up for Ondra although he seemed off par in the whole event (and the last) to be fair so maybe the correct result. Some kind of cover cap on the bolt head that stops it being pushed off would sort the issue then your allowed to touch it with your foot.

I think Ondra is trying to hard. Still looks like the best climber a lot of the time but not getting the finals right. He looked steady eddy before he slipped of in the the lead final.

Should quit his Road to Tokyo YouTube videos. Talk about adding more pressure and you look like a tit if the Road to Tokyo is a Dead End.

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#214 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 01:20:08 pm
Should quit his Road to Tokyo YouTube videos. Talk about adding more pressure and you look like a tit if the Road to Tokyo is a Dead End.

That’d be some Sunderland ‘til I Die-level hubris.  :popcorn:

Is there really a chance that Ondra won’t be in the Olympics? I just assumed he’d win it.

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#215 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 01:55:43 pm
Loved having a speed climber in the boulder round of the combined, it’s like some random punter had made it onto the mats. I assume they are no slouches but just look like it compared to the world’s best.

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#216 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 02:04:09 pm
Sorry, this is all new to me. How have speed climbers managed to progress to the final? In the women's and the men's it was tragic (and pretty boring) to have to watch the token speed bloke/bird paw uselessly at the holds throughout the bouldering. The male speed punter managed to redeem himself a bit in the lead, but had he stopped to clip at the point that the others did he would have been off before them.
I would feel sorry for them, being so obviously complete minnows but having to put in an appearance for the last two rounds - but they're speed climbers, so I don't.

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#217 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 02:10:22 pm
It will be a great showcase for the sport. A bunch of strong climbers looking like the don’t know the sequence on the speed, and then someone who can’t pull off the floor on the boulders literally laughing to themselves about what they are being expected to do.

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#218 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 02:13:54 pm


The only issue is that of the bolts. Climbing shouldn't be about avoiding things and i would have thought it could easily be corrected. Didnt effect the result for Shauna, but could have, and royally messed things up for Ondra although he seemed off par in the whole event (and the last) to be fair so maybe the correct result. Some kind of cover cap on the bolt head that stops it being pushed off would sort the issue then your allowed to touch it with your foot.


VAR for bolts!

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#219 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 02:28:16 pm
It will be a great showcase for the sport. A bunch of strong climbers looking like the don’t know the sequence on the speed, and then someone who can’t pull off the floor on the boulders literally laughing to themselves about what they are being expected to do.

My dream is for the Olympics to come round and to see Ondra and Megos chalk and blow up the speed route and take ages about it. Maybe reverse a few moves to a rest and a shake-out. If they can affect some Elvis-leg and do some power screams it would be even better. Maybe make a contest of it to see who can get to the top last in the 7th/8th play-off. Take their vest off halfway up? Drink a can of over-caffeinated sugary drink company while doing a one-armer off one of the jugs?
And then to destroy everybody so roundly in the bouldering and lead that it doesn't matter anyway.

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#220 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 02:38:48 pm
I would feel sorry for them, being so obviously complete minnows but having to put in an appearance for the last two rounds - but they're speed climbers, so I don't.

+1. One trick ponies.

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#221 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 04:16:59 pm
So there is ample opportunity for jepardy in all three rounds.

In other words - even the best are quite capabable of fucking up on one section (foot on bolt, false start on speed round, Ondra on boulders etc...). Does this make it a good spectacle or bad?

Perhaps for the non enthusiast its better - as this makes it quite possible for a non top 10 person to luck out and win...

For the enthusiast it all makes it a bit too random and meh - so you don't see the best pitted against the best...

It reminds me a bit of when the BMX and the Snowboard Cross (I think) were introduced/showcased. Favourites just seemed to get wiped out at random making it interesting - but not if you were cheering for someone...

Personally, the lead climbing is the best part. Its a mix of strength, edurance and some strategy (how hard and fast you go etc..) and the routes seem to have been set really well so far.... the tension ramps up as they get higher and higher and higher... (some good TV graphics also showing where the highest person has got etc...). The Bouldering (despite loving bouldering) is just a bit shit. Pull on, thrutch, make a move or two, drop off and sit staring at it for 60 secs and repeat... (I'm being a bit harsh but it does seem to be the least TV/spectacle friendly of the three...

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#222 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 04:23:22 pm
I guess it’s a lot easier to set a lead route to split a field in an effective and entertaining fashion than it is 3 boulder problems. Obvious compounding factor this time that all the competitors have also done all the individual events in the days previous, so are all fucked, making getting the boulder difficulty right even harder.

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#223 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 04:25:17 pm
Sorry, this is all new to me. How have speed climbers managed to progress to the final? In the women's and the men's it was tragic (and pretty boring) to have to watch the token speed bloke/bird paw uselessly at the holds throughout the bouldering. The male speed punter managed to redeem himself a bit in the lead, but had he stopped to clip at the point that the others did he would have been off before them.
I would feel sorry for them, being so obviously complete minnows but having to put in an appearance for the last two rounds - but they're speed climbers, so I don't.

I disagree with you here in the case of the mens side of things. In qualification the top speed climber managed to top a boulder that some of the boulderers and lead climbers couldn't do. I thought it was interesting to see how well the speed climbers did in this.

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#224 Re: IFSC 2019
August 21, 2019, 06:30:15 pm
Sorry, this is all new to me. How have speed climbers managed to progress to the final? In the women's and the men's it was tragic (and pretty boring) to have to watch the token speed bloke/bird paw uselessly at the holds throughout the bouldering. The male speed punter managed to redeem himself a bit in the lead, but had he stopped to clip at the point that the others did he would have been off before them.
I would feel sorry for them, being so obviously complete minnows but having to put in an appearance for the last two rounds - but they're speed climbers, so I don't.

I disagree with you here in the case of the mens side of things. In qualification the top speed climber managed to top a boulder that some of the boulderers and lead climbers couldn't do. I thought it was interesting to see how well the speed climbers did in this.

Me too. That Kazakh speed climber really impressed me. Yes he looked weak on some of the boulders compared to the top guys,  but he also (a)  topped a boulder in qualifiers that a couple of bouldering specialists failed on,  (b)  beat two lead climbers in the combined bouldering and (c)  beat two boulderers in the combined lead. These are some of the best climbers in the world - so if nothing else,  he has completely kyboshed the theory we all had that any speed climber would be useless compared to the rest at both bouldering and lead.
He also came 41st - equal with Will Bosi - in the overall men's bouldering qualifiers. He's no slouch. He deserves his combined medal.

Edit: on the other hand,  people like Tomoa are getting quite close to the speed specialists in speed now. I think he was only 0.4 seconds behind with his best run. I reckon the gaps will all close a bit more by next summer.

 

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