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Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 03:42:06 pm
I'm normally pretty good in the skin department - very rarely get splits (prob under 5 times in 30 years!), don't sweat massively etc.

Just had 2 weeks without climbing (flu) and yesterday noticed skin on fingers was starting to peel a bunch. Went out a did some soloing today and my skin is wrecked. Lots of layers peeling off, pink 'fresh' skin showing, fingers showing the signs of sweatiness like when you have thin skin, bit tender to the touch.

Whilst I was ill I did my normal of moisturising fingers every second day or so. I did have a bunch more baths than normal as I was aching all over  :boohoo:

Has my skin just got too soft from not climbing? I've had similar time off in the past and not had this happen. I thought my skin would be fucking great  :shrug:

Also what is the knowledge re taping and superglue etc? Had 1 of the aforementioned splits before I got ill and tried to tape and climb over the next few days - I found it really hard to climb with tape on, tape rolled back etc. I bought some superglue (which came with a little brush applicator) but then got ill before trying it out. I was gonna try tape finger in thin strip (starting at tip, working back to 1st or maybe all way to 2nd joint) and then painting glue over top?

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#1 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 03:51:32 pm
Wish I had such reliable skin!

I can only comment re: taping splits as I get a persistent one on my right index finger. While its healing I take a very long thin strip of tape, probably about 4mm and tape the first joint of the finger starting at the front and working back to the first joint. This tends to stay put pretty well so I don't use glue in addition to this, but I redo it before every go when sport climbing. Tends to roll a bit on the grit but not too badly.

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#2 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 04:44:01 pm
For splits - Tape and glue - I use the well tested method passed down to me by gnarly sports climbers at the Tor :D


Tear a small strip - about 5-6mm wide - and long enough to just about go around the finger. Smear glue on the centre 1cm of the strip (you don't need much) then put that bit while the glue is still wet over the split and fairly tightly tape on (not mega tight). The glue means the tape at that point of your finger doesnt slip away.

I do however find that this can make splits heal a little slower (I think - not really sure) so try and avoid using this method - its a last resort - wont be able to have another go for a few weeks type method.

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#3 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 04:59:48 pm
Also what is the knowledge re taping and superglue etc? Had 1 of the aforementioned splits before I got ill and tried to tape and climb over the next few days - I found it really hard to climb with tape on, tape rolled back etc. I bought some superglue (which came with a little brush applicator) but then got ill before trying it out. I was gonna try tape finger in thin strip (starting at tip, working back to 1st or maybe all way to 2nd joint) and then painting glue over top?

Im in the 'long and thin' camp. I put a bit of super glue on my tip first then quickly wrap the thin strip round, starting at the tip and working your way down. I'd go to just above the second joint, then do an elongated spiral kinda thing so that the tape finishes right at the base of your finger. This helps stop the end of the of the tape lifting up and thus the tape job unwrapping.

The glue is really good for keeping the tape in place but it can be a bit savage taking it off. If your skin is trashed already then might want to be careful that you don't rip what's left off when you remove the tape.

It's not as good as your skin being in good nick, but I can usually get 2 or 3 good redpoints in with the above tape shennanigans.

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#4 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 05:19:01 pm
Cheers all, no idea why my skin has gone so shit but some good info re tape. Guess seeing vids of people crushing with tape on I was expecting it to be better, not tried it before and was pretty unimpressed with my attempts. Might experiment with my painting on idea on top of the tape as I don't like the idea of damaging skin removing tape...

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#5 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 05:54:42 pm
If you were full of the flu you could have been hot and sweaty for long periods and it trashed your skin.

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#6 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 06:00:59 pm
I'm normally pretty good in the skin department - very rarely get splits (prob under 5 times in 30 years!), don't sweat massively etc.

How?!

I'm not a fan of mixing super glue and tape, but haven't really experimented with it much. I like to do a vertical strip from the joint over the fingernail, then two horizontal strips around (each one starting and finishing on the back of the finger). I find climbing with tape on the index finger is particularly terrible - tape on other fingers doesn't seem to matter as much.

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#7 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 06:03:06 pm
Removing isnít too bad. Soak in hot water and tease off... after a shower often is fine for me

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#8 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 06:32:58 pm
I'm normally pretty good in the skin department - very rarely get splits (prob under 5 times in 30 years!), don't sweat massively etc.

How?!


Agreed, mad to think that somebody who climbs so much has never had to tape tips before!

For me skin is often a limiting factor so I even sometimes tape pre-emptively to protect skin, removing tape for the redpoint attempt.  Most important technique for tips is to do a figure of 8 between the first an second joint to hold the tape in place.

This link is pretty good:

https://www.metoliusclimbing.com/how-to-tape_finger.html

I don't usually bother with the vertical strip but the general principle works pretty well either way I think.


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#9 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 10:19:51 pm
My skin was a real mess when I worked in Sellafield years ago, suited and booted and had to wear 3 sets of marigolds taped over each other. Landlady pointed me towards Neutrogena (said husband had been a fisherman) and lots of that that fixed it. Might be worth a punt.

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#10 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 04, 2019, 10:24:26 pm
El Mocho's worst skin day sounds like my best  :boohoo:

There's probably a PhD to be done on the different types of skin wear and how they heal.

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#11 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 08:18:34 am
My skin always does that, if I have climbed a lot on rock, really worn it down then had a few days off, it basically all falls off. Just needs hardening up again.

Split tip wise, if using superglue, get some vetbond, (basically exactly the same as human superglue, but for animals, but way cheaper), not sure superglue is particularly safe to use.

Taping. I put a tab of glue on the sides of my finger and on the back of the nail, then tap up the finger in pretty small strips making sure to do little figure of 8 (megos method). Itís bomb and doesnít move.

Having only 5 splits tips in your climbing career, sounds like your not trying hard enough Ben!

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#12 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 08:58:37 am
I used vetbond for a while after getting worried about carcinogens in superglue... but having done a bit more reading about it decided that the number of times a use it - it wasnt worth getting fussed about.

I have noticed that no-one seems to make a superglue dispensor/packet that doesnt gum up/bung up over time (especially when bashed about in the top pocket of a rucksack) so I now get a blister pack of 5 small tubes from the pound shop and treat each one as effectively disposable. (though one of those little ones has lasted several applications and not bunged up... theres a lesson tehre somewhere..).

You can also get super glue remover (not tried) and UPVC fitters use a superglue/fixer combo with an aerosol spray that makes the glue cure instantly. Never tried it or seen it outside of trade places....

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#13 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 09:24:19 am
So does vetbond not have the nasties in it? Seems like a no-brainer to use it if it's also cheaper?

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#14 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 09:29:09 am
So does vetbond not have the nasties in it? Seems like a no-brainer to use it if it's also cheaper?

OK - before I LMGTFY you on this... regular superglue (cynoacrylate from memory) may have some nasties in it. 'Medical' grade superglue (for hoomans) is a slightly different not so nasty formula. Vet grade superglue (vetbond) is as far as I can see identical to Medical grade superglue but much cheaper.

When I last looked into it (you can do the same on Amazon/ebay etc..)

Medical £10-15 a tube
Vet £3
regular <£1

(prices all approxomates from my diminishing memory. Must be the glue..)

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#15 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 09:46:08 am
Thanks Tom, that's helpful. But no need to patronise me. I could have googled that myself, but since I don't presently have an understanding of what specific chemical substances may be carcinogenic (given that The Sun thinks toast is carcinogenic I expect this is a field requiring more than a cursory glance to understand what constitutes "significant" carcinogenic risk), nor whether broken skin would allow these chemicals to pass into the body and be assimilated in places that they made do harm, nor what superglues are made of, nor what different varietes of superglue there are available and how their chemical make-ups differ, I think it was reasonable to ask somebody who already knows for 2 minutes of their time to give us a precis. In the unlikely event that I can ever help you out in a similar way then I'd be more than happy to  ::)

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#16 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 10:00:49 am
Thanks Tom, that's helpful. But no need to patronise me. I could have googled that myself, but since I don't presently have an understanding of what specific chemical substances may be carcinogenic (given that The Sun thinks toast is carcinogenic I expect this is a field requiring more than a cursory glance to understand what constitutes "significant" carcinogenic risk), nor whether broken skin would allow these chemicals to pass into the body and be assimilated in places that they made do harm, nor what superglues are made of, nor what different varietes of superglue there are available and how their chemical make-ups differ, I think it was reasonable to ask somebody who already knows for 2 minutes of their time to give us a precis. In the unlikely event that I can ever help you out in a similar way then I'd be more than happy to  ::)

Ooooooooh! Thats what I get for pointing out that I saved you doing your own research!


Again.


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#17 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 10:16:20 am

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#18 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 10:35:25 am
Will - to save me some time could you please use google to find me an animated gif depicting irony?
Thanks,
Tom

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#19 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 11:02:11 am


You can also get super glue remover (not tried) and UPVC fitters use a superglue/fixer combo with an aerosol spray that makes the glue cure instantly. Never tried it or seen it outside of trade places....

I use this regularly but it makes the superglue extremely brittle. Sure if hardens quickly but I think for any possible climbing application it would be useless.

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#20 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 05, 2019, 11:14:05 am
As every girl knows, superglue remover goes by the real name of acetone nail polish remover so quite cheap to source.

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#21 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 12, 2023, 09:03:05 am

OK - before I LMGTFY you on this... regular superglue (cynoacrylate from memory) may have some nasties in it. 'Medical' grade superglue (for hoomans) is a slightly different not so nasty formula. Vet grade superglue (vetbond) is as far as I can see identical to Medical grade superglue but much cheaper.

When I last looked into it (you can do the same on Amazon/ebay etc..)

Medical £10-15 a tube
Vet £3
regular <£1

(prices all approxomates from my diminishing memory. Must be the glue..)

Was looking to get surgical skin glue (ie flexible superglue) and came across this thread.

Vetbond now £25!
This looks similar but still £17.

Other products look like single use only. Basically looking to smear on my tips for when my skin wears thin. Any recs?

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#22 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 12, 2023, 09:44:19 am
Caveat - I'm not a trained HSE advisor.  I do however read safety data sheets on a weekly/ monthly basis as part of my job.

Comparing the SDSs for both ethyl cyanoacrylate (gorilla glue) and 2-octyl cyanoacrylate ("medical" superglue) by both have the cautionary "H351 - May cause cancer" statement.

This statement is used when there is limited/incomplete data on carcinogenic nature of a substance. 

Looking further into the physical properties of both substances, neither has substantial water solubility (water or alkali causes the polymerisation that makes it bond together). 

Do some reading and make your own mind up whether an expensive superglue is better for you than cheapo gorilla glue?




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#23 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 12, 2023, 09:44:46 am
 Medical superglue is the dogs knackers but short of a heist from hospital stores not sure its worth the money. In my experience they are single use only, once perforated they dry in the tube so not the best for repeated use anyway.

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#24 Re: Shit skin/taping splits
March 12, 2023, 10:05:57 am

Do some reading and make your own mind up whether an expensive superglue is better for you than cheapo gorilla glue?

Itís the plasticity Iím bothered about. Superglue just cracks if you spread it on your tips. It works well with tape though. Someone said that with medical glue you donít have to use tape. Is Gorilla glue plastic (as in it doesnít crack?)

 

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