[teestub]

It gets a bit wanky when you start saying don't have any kids, unless you can enforce it on a population it isn't going to happen.

What about veganism, recycling, cutting down driving, flights, etc? These are all personal choices that people make to reduce their carbon footprints that aren’t ‘enforced’ on a population.

[Johnny Brown]

To bring this back on topic, I guess you could argue that second or third generation climbers will hopefully know how to behave at the crag and might even mentor said itinerant Senegalese bum wipers in such decorum. That's what I'm hoping for my son anyway.

[user deactivated]

Not that I disagree entirely Tim, I think the decision to become a parent is likely slightly more complex than the examples presented above. A person might rationalise the decision not to have children in terms of ecological / altruistic? reasons but I’d suspect there’s more powerful motivating factors at play.

[36chambers]

so to wrap this all up, don't post sick pics of magic wood on social media if you have a big online following, otherwise the world will go to shit. Allez.

[Footwork]

This might be relevant

[SA Chris]

Possibly wandering off topic a tad here.

[teestub]

Not that I disagree entirely Tim, I think the decision to become a parent is likely slightly more complex than the examples presented above. A person might rationalise the decision not to have children in terms of ecological / altruistic? reasons but I’d suspect there’s more powerful motivating factors at play.

I agree entirely Dan, I'm just trying to present the arguments (my daughter is 8 weeks old in case anyone got the impression I'm rabidly anti children!).

JB, what if the second and third generation climbers rebel against their parents' good examples and secretly sneak out to the crags with massive bluetooth speakers and dirty climbing shoes?

[spidermonkey09]

JB, what if the second and third generation climbers rebel against their parents' good examples and secretly sneak out to the crags with massive bluetooth speakers and dirty climbing shoes?

The ghost of Will Hunt haunts them beneath Demon Wall Roof?

[dunnyg]

Will has only been to the cliff twice.

[andy_e]

If anyone's ghost haunts DWR it'll be mine (or Nathaniel's)...

[spidermonkey09]

Ah, but is your objection to bluetooth speakers as pronounced as Wills? Think thats in the job description.

[Will Hunt]

No haunting from me, sorry. Groaning and the rattling of chains have as little place on the crag as a strong bass line. Unless you're at Malham when Shark is on the Oak, of course.

my daughter is 8 weeks old

I had no idea. Congratulations, Tim.

[dunnyg]

Has someone finally chained him to it? I always thought it was the best option, he will get the bonus of training heavy too.

[Oldmanmatt]

Not that I disagree entirely Tim, I think the decision to become a parent is likely slightly more complex than the examples presented above. A person might rationalise the decision not to have children in terms of ecological / altruistic? reasons but I’d suspect there’s more powerful motivating factors at play.

I agree entirely Dan, I'm just trying to present the arguments (my daughter is 8 weeks old in case anyone got the impression I'm rabidly anti children!).

JB, what if the second and third generation climbers rebel against their parents' good examples and secretly sneak out to the crags with massive bluetooth speakers and dirty climbing shoes?

Errrrmmm... uhhh.... yeah, what he said!
(Quietly takes photos from early 80’s out of album to burn them. No one remembers that massive fucking Boombox anyway, or the fires on Dancing ledge, or lobbing bangers at climbers on Stanage, or sleeping on the van roofrack in the carpark of The Moon, or any of the other crap that we got upto because we were young and dumb)...

[36chambers]

If anyone's ghost haunts DWR it'll be mine (or Nathaniel's)...

He just needs to do DWR footless and his soul shall be forever freed.

[andy_e]

Ah, but is your objection to bluetooth speakers as pronounced as Wills? Think thats in the job description.

Is this strong enough?
https://twitter.com/AndyDoggerBank/status/1024654900133851137

[spidermonkey09]

Is this strong enough?
https://twitter.com/AndyDoggerBank/status/1024654900133851137

You're hired!

[highrepute]

Not that I disagree entirely Tim, I think the decision to become a parent is likely slightly more complex than the examples presented above. A person might rationalise the decision not to have children in terms of ecological / altruistic? reasons but I’d suspect there’s more powerful motivating factors at play.

I agree entirely Dan, I'm just trying to present the arguments (my daughter is 8 weeks old in case anyone got the impression I'm rabidly anti children!).

Hypocrite! How do you sleep at night with the weight of your newborns carbon footprint on your conscience? Oh silly question, sleep is out the window now 

Congrats!

[teestub]

Oh silly question, sleep is out the window now 

Congrats!

All the more time to don my (organic, fair trade) hair shirt and wring my hands!

[Oldmanmatt]

Ah, but is your objection to bluetooth speakers as pronounced as Wills? Think thats in the job description.

Is this strong enough?
https://twitter.com/AndyDoggerBank/status/1024654900133851137

Does “Human generated noise” include:

1: Screaming?
2: Snapping sounds from primary limbs shattering?
3: Splattering/ Wet thuds from accelerated bodies regaining static equilibrium?
4: The insistent blubbering of traumatised observers?
5: Other typical crag sounds, like “GET YOUR FUCKING DOG OFF MY UCKING SANDWICHES!” or “WHO’S BLOODY CHILD IS THAT? TELL THEM TO STOP DISMANTLING MY ANCHOR! Noooooo..... THUD”?

[36chambers]

I agree entirely Dan, I'm just trying to present the arguments (my daughter is 8 weeks old in case anyone got the impression I'm rabidly anti children!).

So it was you I saw with the baby in the park that one time congratulations!

[user deactivated]

Congratulations Tim! 😊

[tomtom]

Congratulations Tim! 😊

!! News! Well done Tim!

[teestub]

Thanks guys