There's nothing wrong per se in a system that allows a naturally strong politician - Trump, despite being a cunt is evidently a good politician - to flourish.
Will, my concerns aren't anything about my own re-bolting work in the sense of feeling that I should have been paid. ...
Pete, you make a lot of statements as though they are facts, which in fact are just your misguided opinion. You've concocted a description of doers vs bureucrats which bears no relation to reality. If the BMC does what it does for fame, glory and riches, then it's not working out too well, not for me at least. Let's have a look at what we've done for activities close to your heart (all out of naked self interest, of course):Financially supported independent guidebooks including a certain guide for N.Wales.Pumped thousands of pounds into the N.Wales bolt fund - you didn't complain too much when we chose them as our contractor for UPT inspections I noticed. Donated thousands of pounds of free bolts to said bolt fund and others around the country.Got our combined liability cover extended to cover bolting work by members.Ran bolting workshops around the country to promote good practice.Did research to help guide bolters choose the best bolts possible.Produced leaflets for landowners to assuage liability fears.I could go on but I need to catch the bank before it closes to pay in a humungous stash of notes and then meet my army of adoring followers.
Your last point about leaflets to landowners to address concerns about liability.. I think the organisation would more effectively promote what it preaches by practicing what it preaches to others. Horseshoe stands out as a glaring example of say one thing, do another. There are differnet ways to skin a cat, it could have been done better.. did it really need a national campaign, tee-shirts, a McClure video and fanfare? - strikes me as about more than just the re-equipping of a grotty BMC-owned quarry and more about trumpeting 'The BMC', increasing awareness of all things BMC and increasing membership numbers.
Quote from: petejh on October 20, 2017, 06:23:52 pmYour last point about leaflets to landowners to address concerns about liability.. I think the organisation would more effectively promote what it preaches by practicing what it preaches to others. Horseshoe stands out as a glaring example of say one thing, do another. There are differnet ways to skin a cat, it could have been done better.. did it really need a national campaign, tee-shirts, a McClure video and fanfare? - strikes me as about more than just the re-equipping of a grotty BMC-owned quarry and more about trumpeting 'The BMC', increasing awareness of all things BMC and increasing membership numbers.Blimey Pete, that’s a conspiracy theory worthy of gallam1!In fact, petejh - you are gallam1. And I claim my £5...Neil
Quote from: Neil F on October 20, 2017, 08:58:11 pmQuote from: petejh on October 20, 2017, 06:23:52 pmYour last point about leaflets to landowners to address concerns about liability.. I think the organisation would more effectively promote what it preaches by practicing what it preaches to others. Horseshoe stands out as a glaring example of say one thing, do another. There are differnet ways to skin a cat, it could have been done better.. did it really need a national campaign, tee-shirts, a McClure video and fanfare? - strikes me as about more than just the re-equipping of a grotty BMC-owned quarry and more about trumpeting 'The BMC', increasing awareness of all things BMC and increasing membership numbers.Blimey Pete, that’s a conspiracy theory worthy of gallam1!In fact, petejh - you are gallam1. And I claim my £5...NeilLet's call it Gallam's Razor. In matters pertaining to any initiative by the BMC the worst possible motivations must be assumed to be true
Its your right to hold concerns about what you regard as a precedent but its not something shared by anything like a majority
Surely it would have been better, if paying professionals to rebolt was deemed necessary by the BMC, to get Horseshoe rebolted and just keep quite about paying for it. No fanfare.
Quote from: kelvin on October 21, 2017, 02:18:15 pmSurely it would have been better, if paying professionals to rebolt was deemed necessary by the BMC, to get Horseshoe rebolted and just keep quite about paying for it. No fanfare. Precisely this. There are lots of ways to go about getting the work done. I haven't heard any good reason to justify publicising it in the way it was.As per my earlier post, you'd be forgiven for thinking the re-bolting of horseshoe by professional contractors was being used by the BMC for marketing purposes.
This is by far the most bizarre thing I've read all week.
Quote from: kelvin on October 21, 2017, 02:18:15 pmSurely it would have been better, if paying professionals to rebolt was deemed necessary by the BMC, to get Horseshoe rebolted and just keep quite about paying for it. No fanfare.
... accountability to/feedback from its members via area meetings being a poor method, in 2017, to have as a main method of communicating and receiving feedback from members; which other posters agree is a valid criticism (note to Dan and Dave - criticism isn't a reason to automatically assume a whirling handbags def-con3 missile defense posture).
What would be a good alternative or improvement?