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#300 Re: Changing the BMC
May 14, 2019, 06:09:19 pm
FFS you twist just about everything.

My response to your PM was “Tricky situation. Probably better if I speak to Lynn first.”

You said that was fine you just meant when we next met.

I emailed Lynn then she called me then I emailed again which she didn’t respond to.

Needless to say the response to my concerns were not fulsome, open and transparent hence taking it up further with others and writing the article.

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#301 Re: Changing the BMC
May 14, 2019, 06:39:10 pm
I guess I said that as, at the time, I didn't expect to see what you wrote in the article.

Given its a BMC situation involving Lynn shouldn't you have contacted the BMC as well as Lynn for an initial private right of reply. Did you ask her about what happened to Gron?  Did you ask her if she went against legal advice?  Did you ask her if the BMC was in charge of its finances ( the implications of errors in the accounts)? Did you ask her if the ODG was going slow? Did you ask her about her attention to detail on governance nitty gritty? These are the main issues I'm concerned about in your article and subsequent posts. I knew the release of proxy numbers was always going to be resisted and you would not like that; if transparency concerns around that was your entire case I'd be OK with it (despite disagreeing with your view on it... and being annoyed you failed to mention proxy voting is a legal requirement).

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#302 Re: Changing the BMC
May 14, 2019, 06:56:25 pm
This was only a few days after the AGM when my immediate concerns focussed on disclosure of the number of discretionary proxy votes at her disposal and the way she voted to unravel what happened and why which is what triggered things off.

If her vote went against JR (which seems likely based on the numbers we know about) what was the rationale for not voting for him. As I said in the article this undermined his position as ODG Chair. He was of course on the Board to that point. Was his performance on the Board such that she couldn’t vote for him?

Yes I also contacted the BMC office for voting info (declined) and made the Local Area Chair, Sec and NC reps aware and emailed the Senior Independent Director with my concerns. I escalated it to the best of my ability yet no Board response and only the glib BMC article for members to go on in the meantime.

The article was more comprehensive than my initial focus. Lynn had an opportunity to nip things in the bud but chose not to disclose the number of votes and how she voted.

The other concerns came out from discussions on this thread, subsequent resignations by JR and Gron from their other BMC positions and other offline conversations and reflections on my part.

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#303 Re: Changing the BMC
May 14, 2019, 07:42:11 pm
So because Lynn didn't 'nip things in the bud' in a way none of us can ever know about, and the BMC didn't clarify the voting issue you felt it was OK to ignore normal journalistic standards and make the other accusations in the article public without giving the BMC a right to reply first?

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#304 Re: Changing the BMC
May 14, 2019, 08:11:06 pm
I asked for information and didn’t get it.

Lynn or the Board could have nipped things in the bud by responding to concerns expressed by others as well as me by disclosing the discretionary proxy numbers, acknowledging concerns had been expressed, acknowledging errors had been made and making a commitment to review rules and processes.

It was an opinion piece and I expressed my opinions. I am a BMC member and can hold our BMC politicians to account. Isn’t that a function of the press? Most who expressed an opinion on the ukc thread thanked me for it.

To put me back in my box would be a commitment to review discretionary proxy voting rules and practice, establish a written recruitment procedure, disclose how many votes were entrusted to Lynn and confirm which way she voted. I’m hoping that the promised Board response does just that and not before time.

Personally I think a publicly stated rationale on why Lynn voted the way she did on behalf of her discretional proxies is in order. I would like to see that she acted in accordance with procedural best practice and in the best of interests of the BMC.

I’m not holding my breath that she makes such a statement.






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#305 Re: Changing the BMC
May 14, 2019, 08:22:33 pm
In fact can we draw a line under this until the Board issues their response

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#306 Re: Changing the BMC
May 14, 2019, 08:33:45 pm
Thats your opinion that you have a right to and I'm OK with you expressing it. Proxy voting is a legal requirement and the voting followed proper proceedure. My opinion on the proxy numbers being released is it's a terrible idea that will be used to attack the election and is probably motivated by sour grapes.  Having spent decades in trade union meetings and seen how such intimidation is used for political ends I'm very much in favour of all BMC votes being secret in the future. How people vote is nothing to do with transparency. I agree the process needs looking at for future votes and Andy has assured us it will be.

So how about you answering my question if you gave the BMC  any prior right to comment on those other issues before the article publication;  on what to me look like much more serious questions (and they are the only ones where I feel you are being  really unfair.).

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#307 Re: Changing the BMC
May 14, 2019, 08:50:10 pm
Can you list which other issues/serious questions you are referring to so I can answer that by referring back to the emails I sent Lynn and Simon Mccalla both (being Board Directors).

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#308 Re: Changing the BMC
May 15, 2019, 08:27:02 am
That list of questions covers the serious stuff the BMC should have had a chance to comment on before you published the article. The rest that I disagree with is opinion or trivial.

"Did you ask her about what happened to Gron?  Did you ask her if she went against legal advice?  Did you ask her if the BMC was in charge of its finances ( the implications of errors in the accounts)? Did you ask her if the ODG was going slow? Did you ask her about her attention to detail on governance nitty gritty"

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#309 Re: Changing the BMC
May 15, 2019, 08:57:06 am
It is hard to sort stuff from your posts. If you specifically list then I can specifically respond.

The other stuff I have already answered which I’ll repeat. I was focussed after the AGM on the number of discretionary proxy votes entrusted to her and how she voted on their behalf. I didn’t get a conclusive answer. For context it was only a few days after the AGM and I was walking one of my dogs in Settle when she called.

The article was a more comprehensive response to the whole of the AGM and the aftermath ie JR’s resignation as ODG Chair and online and offline discussions and reflections on my part.


*EDIT Re-reading your post was that in fact the definitive list of what you consider the serious stuff?


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#310 Re: Changing the BMC
May 15, 2019, 05:14:58 pm
Yes the bit in quotes is the list of issues which concern me the most, specifically if the BMC had a chance to comment before you published the article (which I'm assuming won't apply to Simon, unless of course you contacted him before publication).

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#311 Re: Changing the BMC
May 15, 2019, 07:04:26 pm
So to be absolutely clear you're asking is did I notify the Board prior to publication of the article on the following?

Gron's experiences as a candidate 

[Lynn going]against legal advice [of the Womble Dickenson solicitor at the AGM] 

Whether the BMC is in charge of its finances 

That the ODG is going too slow?

The level of Lynn's attention to detail on governance nitty gritty

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#312 Re: Changing the BMC
May 15, 2019, 07:56:08 pm
Yes.

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#313 Re: Changing the BMC
May 15, 2019, 09:55:49 pm
the Womble Dickenson solicitor

I really hope that's not a made-up name.

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#314 Re: Changing the BMC
May 15, 2019, 11:19:23 pm
Now we have civilly established between us the issues you believe are important I will address them as comprehensively as I can in the earnest hope that this draws a line under the matters in establishing my position. I also please ask that you maintain the civility that you have more recently exhibited.
 
First point to make is that what you say you consider most important and what I consider most important are evidently two different things.

My most important issues with respect to the UKC article I wrote all relate to concerns over the recruitment and election of Directors and the BMC AGM article that failed to reflect those concerns which prompted the article being written as a response.

The reason that this issue is most important to me is that the BMC went though the wringer to gain Board primacy so the composition of the Board is vital for taking difficult decisions to modernise the organisation. When one of the Directors (JR) who I perceive as one of the driving forces of modernisation was not re-elected to the Board that rang alarm bells straight away and a desire to understand how such a detrimental outcome came to pass.
My endeavours of trying to understand how that came to pass included contacting two Board members (Lynn and Simon Mccalla) for information on the discretionary proxy votes and relay concerns about recruitment procedures.

Even now I am not seeking a Board response to the other issues that are a priority concern to you (but a secondary concern to me) and the list of questions I sent to Simon Mccalla all relate to the recruitment processes, election and BMC AGM article which for reference are as follows:
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The advert for the 3 Nominated Director positions was posted for about a week and the interviews took place about a week after that limiting. Why were the time scales so compressed ?

Does the Board agree the short timescales were unreasonable for three senior posts and will have limited the number of applicants and made the process look rushed? Was it in fact rushed and did this contribute to mistakes and poor process?

Was there a written procedure at the outset for how the selection of candidates, the interviews and the post interview actions? If so can this document be publicly disclosed in its original form for member scrutiny. If there wasn’t a written procedure at the outset why not?

Can you confirm that the interview panel was comprised only of Gavin Pierce Chairman, Lynn Robinson and Mick Green of National Council and clarify how the members were decided. Was anyone else on the Nominations Committee but not on the interview panel?

Is it true that the original terms of reference for the Nominations Committee required an Independent Director to participate in the interviews yet  not only did this not happen but also that the terms of reference were changed after the interviews took place that removed the requirement for Independent Directors to participate?

In terms of deciding the specialist requirements for the three pools of candidates is it true that determining the pools were largely carried out by Lynn Robinson and Dave Turnbull and if so  was that part of any written procedure and does that mean Dave Turnbull was on the Nominations Committee?

Is it true that the candidates statements were made up of a section of the Nomination Committee comments and the candidates own comments and if so why wasn’t that made clear that was the case in the candidate statements presented to members?

Is it the case that candidates were initially asked for referees rather than a proposer or seconder? Was this a mix up or were referees not required or were both required and they did not need to be the same people? How clearly and in what way was this communicated to candidates and the mooted referees? Were any of the referees/proposers/seconders contacted or approached for validation or references?

Is it true that at least one of the successful nominated candidates was not informed the election would be contested? Was this communication just verbal or was it made in writing and by whom? Was the same manner and content of communication made to all the candidates?

Was it clarified to candidates that they would or wouldn’t be expected to present at the AGM? How was this communicated?

Overall how clear and consistent were communications with the candidates and were they up to the Boards expected standards? Where lessons not learnt from the issues arising from Amanda Parshall’s on the importance of correct procedure?

At the AGM Lynn Robinson made clear to the audience that candidates would not be speaking (unlike at previous AGM’s). When was it decided this would be the case and by whom and why wasn’t that stated in AGM papers?

At the AGM in response to audience protest Lynn Robinson used Chair discretion to change that decision and asked the candidates to speak. Was that a reasonable Chair decision? Was it fair to candidates? Was it also fair to proxy voters who had already cast their votes?

Prior to making that decision the BMC solicitor from Womble Dickenson counselled from the floor that letting candidates speak would put the elections at risk to legal challenge. Was the Chair right to overrule this counsel and how serious is the legal risk?

With regard to discretionary voting the Chair typically holds a lot of discretionary votes. Is it a conflict of interest that this person is also a member of the Nominations Committee and on the interview panel?

On reflection does the Board believe that the number of discretionary votes held by the Chair at the 2018 AGM represent an unreasonable concentration of individual power?

At the end of the AGN Phil Simister (one of the Nominated Director candidates) asked from the floor whether discretionary proxy voting numbers would be made available. Lynn Robinson replied that they would be made available at the end of the meeting and published online. This did not happen. Why?

Why was the precedent from the 2018 AGM when a proxy voting decision and the numbers was disclosed immediately after a Director vote not followed at the 2019 AGM?

Why has further member requests to the Office and the President  for disclosure of discretionary proxy votes by the Chair been refused? Was this a Board decision prior to the AGM? Is it right that this information is withheld? If so how is that balanced against openness and transparency?

Regarding the AGM report published on the BMC website - why was it delayed for so long?

Is it true that whilst the report was drafted in the Marketing department it was circulated for review for editing to Lynn Robinson and others? If so who was it circulated to and what amendments were made?

Given that a number of complaints have been levelled in person and online after the AGM why has there been no public acknowledgement of these concerns from the President, Chair or Board?

Have all or any of the candidates who participated in the process including any who withdrew been approached for feedback by the Nominations Committee? If not will they?

Bearing in mind that I have failed to elicit a response on my information requests for my primary issues from Board members individually or the Board as a whole, why would I be hassling the Board on secondary issues? It is not incumbent on me to submit my opinion piece to the Board so that they can deliberate before it is published.

Having said all that….

Let’s look at your individual issues and relate it in turn to what I said in the article

Gron's experiences as a candidate 

Yes I flagged up this early on in a confidential email to Simon Mccalla in his capacity as Senior Independent Director in the week following the AGM the email I sent on 3rd April:
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Furthermore the actual candidate recruitment process was poor. Gron Davies approached me to act as a referee which I agreed to. He then contacted me to say that he had been successfully nominated. I was expecting a reference request which I never received. I was then surprised to see that it was publicised as a contested election with my name as seconder and Rehan as proposer. Neither of us were consulted about this change of status from private referee to public proposer and seconder. Furthermore, Gron only knew that it was contested when Rehan and I told him. He was never officially informed that it was contested. In addition he was not forewarned to make a presentation but had to do one on the hoof at the AGM when Lynn bowed from pressure from the floor despite the Womble Dickenson solicitor advising otherwise. Clearly Kaye Richardson and John Roberts took a stand on this and refused to give a presentation maybe to their detriment.
In terms of the actual statement I took from Gron and included that was at a very late stage of the article being written (23rd April) I had last spoken to him at the AGM and contacted him for feedback in case he wanted to add anything to the article. By this stage he had resigned from the Finance Committee. It is notable that despite his resignation that the only person that had contacted him from the BMC since was Alan the Office Accountant.

[Lynn going]against legal advice [of the Womble Dickenson solicitor at the AGM] 

The relevant paragraph in my article was this:

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The 2019 AGM was Chaired by Lynn Robinson, BMC President. She is also a member of the Nominations Committee. When we reached the contested Director elections Robinson declared that in the interests of fairness that candidates would not be addressing the audience i.e. there would be no hustings. Unsurprisingly, this was met by some protests from the floor as at previous AGM's candidates were expected to speak and there was nothing in the AGM papers to indicate a change in this practice. In response, Robinson backtracked and asked the candidates to do a short presentation despite the BMC's paid legal adviser counselling otherwise.

I’m not sure what more to say about this. She stated this from the floor and was located about 15 feet away from me. Lynn was looking in her direction when she said it. I’m surprised that you didn’t hear her too as you were about the same distance away. I am assuming her comments were minuted. If not she can be contacted for confirmation. In any case this was all in the public forum and should have been heard by Dave and Lynn at least and been subject to any post AGM wash-up with the solicitor. Hardly a job for me to flag up what should already be known by the BMC’s paid legal advisor. 

Whether the BMC is in charge of its finances

The relevant section in my article is this:

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Personally I don't begrudge paying an extra £6 a year, but I do begrudge money being wasted. I would be wholly supportive of the subs increase if I thought that the BMC had an iron grip on its finances and placed the use of (members') money as a greater priority than it currently seems to be. The fact that the accounts were restated due to numerous narrative errors and the subscription recommendation was repeatedly changed in the run up to the AGM are just two clues that financial management could be greatly improved.
I noted that in previous posts you referred to the minor changes to the Accounts  mooted at the AGM. What I am referring to in my article is the more extensive narrative changes that took place before the AGM that led to the AGM papers being amended.I agreed with Dave Musgrove that the more minor amendments presented to the AGM did not need warrant updating till next year’s submission and voted in favour of that motion. The subscription recommendation changes are also a matter of public record.
As I said in the article these are two clues. My overall view that the BMC does not have an iron grip on its finances is informed by my role as Commercial Manager and attendance of all the Finance Committee meetings whilst employed at the BMC. I lobbied more than one Director currently sitting on the Board of Directors at the 2017 2018 AGM in person and gave them my opinions on Financial Management at the Office and advocated that in my opinion that the appointment of a Finance & Commercial Director would go towards addressing the issues.

That the ODG is going too slow?

The relevant section of my UKC article is this:
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There was scarcely any ODG discussion at the AGM, which hopefully does not reflect it diminishing in importance. However, there was a handout listing all 51 of the ORG recommendations. Disappointingly only 7 of those 51 recommendations had been ticked as completed. Furthermore 5 of the 7 had already been completed by the 2018 AGM. Therefore, on the face of it, not much has been achieved by the ODG since its inception.

Regarding your point in a previous post about John Roberts presenting at the AGM I have checked this with JR directly and you are correct that there was a slot. He says he was given a maximum 5 minute slot whilst the votes were being counted. Unfortunately I  along with many others missed this slot assuming it was a break in proceedings and headed straight for the toilets. I think it fair to say that it was not assigned the priority it deserved.
As for only 2 recommendations being completed since the last AGM I only knew that from the AGM handout. The Board should be very aware of what has and hasn’t been done to date so not my job to flag up things they should know in far greater detail than I ever would.

[The level of Lynn's attention to detail on governance nitty gritty
The relevant section of the UKC article is this:
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Whilst Robinson has shown herself to be an outstanding President at the Public Relations and ambassadorial elements of her role, she appears to have been less adept and enthusiastic with respect to the nitty gritty detailed ODG work of governance and policy changes…….. I think it would be an impressively brave and humble move (rather than a weakness) if Robinson acknowledged her strengths and shortcomings by making way for someone else to manage her half of the ODG workstreams. This would allow Robinson to concentrate on her real strengths as a superb ambassador for the BMC. Given that she has already voiced that the workload of the role of President is too big for one person this also seems a practical step in making the workload more manageable.
This is obviously close to home for you so please remember the article is an opinion piece and I am stating opinions not fact. I didn’t state it as fact that Lynne isn’t adept and enthusiastic at the nitty gritty of governance and policy but that that she appeared to be. That appearance is based on her postings on social media and conversations and with her in person where her focus has been far more on being invited to be a judge at Banff and similar than possessing a zeal for reform. Her likely lack of backing for John Roberts, the ODG Chair, who has generally been praised for his contribution and commitment to reform adds to the jigsaw of facts and appearances strongly indicate that it isn’t where her passion and priorities lies.

Also don’t forget I know her and there are various things she's said that have led me to holding the opinion I have. Whilst recognising Lynn's strengths as a “people person” I have long been apprehensive about her unknown abilities with respect to the grind of process change hence my advice to her in an email (11.7.18) after her election as President: “If you are to achieve the level of change that the ORG aspired for the BMC during your term I suggest you and JR sit down and form a game plan. It will be all too easy to get diverted, bogged down by inertia etc. My plan was all I had to cling on to at times. The importance of impact of the first 30/60/90 days in office and all that. Maybe you already have that in hand.”

It seemed obvious to me that if Lynn and John worked closely in partnership they would be a force to be reckoned with. Lynn could take the outward facing leadership role as the face and communicator of change and Roberts could drive the internal aspects and the detail. On paper it could have been a great double act. It is a calamity that the opposite occurred.

My early apprehension has only been subsequently strengthened by things she has said and comments from others. One was over our public exchange on her use of “holding the Board to account” regarding the MoM at a Peak Area meeting which you may recall.

You have characterised me as having a conflict of interest in terms of friendship with John Roberts but I have a longer term friendship with Lynn which you should therefore also acknowledge.

Going back I was the first one to let Lynn know about the upcoming Vice President vacancy and encouraged her to apply (email 10.3.17). I then encouraged her to stand as Acting President when Rehan resigned. Finally I publicly endorsed her Presidential bid on UKB when she stood against Les Ainsworth.

In short Lynn is a wonderful person but in the context of her duties as President in the article I am dispassionately judging her on her actions. As a ‘fan’ it has been personally disappointing her lack of transparency and disclosure. The consequences of her likely lack of support for John Roberts undermines progress at the ODG and in her position she should have been acutely aware of that.

I have endeavoured to understand the issues that were important to you and openly give context to how I arrived at the opinions and the timings of when I communicated matters to Board members which you are concerned about.       
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#315 Re: Changing the BMC
May 16, 2019, 01:38:11 am
Thanks, I know where you stand now. I have still issues with your answers but think it best now we do draw a line until the BMC report is out. The information I needed is something I now have.

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#316 Re: Changing the BMC
May 16, 2019, 07:29:51 am
Made one edit. Re lobbying Directors on financial management I meant at the 2018 AGM not 2017 AGM

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#317 Re: Changing the BMC
May 19, 2019, 11:11:45 am
The BMC 2019 AGM minutes are now up: www.thebmc.co.uk/bmc-agm-minutes-and-national-open-forum-notes

One thing that stuck out
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7.c.3 There was a discussion about the nomination process which had selected the candidates, and whether they had experience of BMC finances. A request, from the floor, was made for the candidates to tell the meeting about their relevant experience and backgrounds; initially this request was rejected by the chair, but following a brief discussion and advice from the BMC solicitor that it was up to ‘the chair’s discretion’ as to whether candidates should speak, the request was accepted. Emma Moody cautioned that members who had already voted by proxy had not had that opportunity, although she did accept the argument that members at the meeting might wish to ask questions about the candidates.

By BMC solicitor I assume that means Martin Wragg who is the BMC’s volunteer Honoury Solicitor who I don’t believe is a practicing solicitor any more. Emma Moody is the paid BMC solicitor from Womble Dickinson and it isn’t minuted that she also said that having the candidates speak opened up a “risk of legal challenge”.

Time is moving on. The BMC Board meeting took place 11 days ago and still no publication of the mooted response to the concerns and questions raised or for that matter the publication of the Board of Directors meeting summary.


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#318 Re: Changing the BMC
May 19, 2019, 01:56:53 pm
The solicitor was almost certainly Emma and my bet is what you 'heard' is the classic psychology of inadvertant false witness to fit the narrative you had built for yourself. Im sure the BMC/ Emma will confirm later. I say that as I sat pretty much next to you and heard the exact opposite but it's the BMC position that counts, not what either of us heard. As I said, Lynn just doesn't ignore legal advice (despite some other 'modernisers' members in the organisation who seemed to be rather sulking about some of it) its been a maxim of hers since I've known her.

As you haven't drawn a line under things I'll reply on your other most recent points.

On Lynn first, where people do need to remember I am both conflicted and uxurious.  It's really sad to see such character assassination for someone you said was a friend. I'd stick with her view on the world... instead of your search for faults  that are possibly not even real,   she prefers to see what the BMC can do for its members and its remit and how best to achive that; she doesn't claim to be perfect and knows its a big job, she has given up 14 months salary to try and do that as well as she can.. Her CV, including extensive involvement in governance up to a Board level handling of two Public Inquiries on behalf of her PCT, academic qualifications up to an MSc in Public Sector Management, speaks for itself. As does her highly significant (although mainly behind the scenes) input in the BMC ODG and other governance mattters . Her BMC CV is also impeccable and there has never been a President who honestly ackowledged following election how much more there was to know, nor one I'm aware of who made as many efforts to be as well informed in all areas of the BMCs work as possible.  With friends she is a person rather than a politician:  she shares the joy of being where she is and is sometimes plain silly and certainly is part and parcel of the heritage of climber's humour.  I could make the most academicly people I know look like fools if I wanted to 'out' them with such a pathetic level of anecdote. The whole point of Lynn's so called lack of transparency is that she is following internal BMC advice on this and will continue to do that until that advice changes. All the disagreement I see from you on the voting seems to end up in differences in organisational politics and opinion.

On giving the BMC a fair chance to comment before publication of your article it seems that we needed to rely on your emails to  Simon, whom if what you say is true I am very disappointed with. He is not the organisation of course and may have his own agenda but I'm glad you confirmed this.  I still maintain you should have written to the BMC directly.

On Gron I have enough independent confirmation now to know emails were sent to candidates successful in the interviews. It doesn't make Gron's statement necessarily untrue as there could have been some cock-up with his but it makes your email exchange with Simon look very odd indeed as he should have told you that.

On the accounts I was referring to the original version. There were no financial errors at any time,  just narrative errors. Your views from your job role at the BMC were always just your opinions and very unfair in that the BMC would not normally reply in such matters.
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#319 Re: Changing the BMC
May 19, 2019, 02:11:20 pm
Out of interest when you say I should have written to the BMC directly what do you mean by that given that I wrote separately to the President and the Senior Independent Director and also a group email to the Peak Area Chair, Sec and NC reps laying out my concerns.

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#320 Re: Changing the BMC
May 19, 2019, 02:37:28 pm
Yes, if you making official complaints about the organisation you write directly to the organisation. We have no idea exactly which of your varied concerns were raised with which people. What you did looks like mud slinging. If you wrote to Lynn about her not following legal advice, or about Gron, or about the finances, or about the ODG being slow Im pretty sure she would have corrected you on those points.

I forgot the ODG being slow point in my previous reply. I ask again where is your evidence of this as JR seemed happy and the time constaints I put up were as far as I know correct and show a huge amount of work in just a few months. Prior to this the likes of Andy, JR, Lynn and Dave did the ground work they were tasked with.

JR's slot was short but so was the meeting time. Unlike the subs discussion there was no clamour to ask more questions than the time allocated.

My biggest personal concern with the meeting remains with club members attending (or keen to hear news) who were worried about the impact of the subs rise on their clubs (speaking as a current non club member who campaiged to remove the club block vote). The votes against are too large to be ignored.
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#321 Re: Changing the BMC
May 19, 2019, 03:23:21 pm
Is this actually going anywhere? Maybe just settle it in the street like gentlemen?

That'll be a no on both counts then.

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#322 Re: Changing the BMC
May 19, 2019, 04:00:34 pm
Some sort of KissinG and MakinG up ProcesS? SlArTY is happy to mediate

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#323 Re: Changing the BMC
May 19, 2019, 05:05:14 pm
Simon is passionate about his concerns and I respect that he is entitled to those. What he isn't entitled to is to distort the facts of the matter. Also as a journalistic piece he should have given the BMC organisation a chance to comment before publication.  Everything serious he is seemingly concerned about, aside from the conflict of interest on discretionary proxys (something I think will be hard to avoid in the BMC) seems to me to come down to opinion and politics. I once thought we were pretty close on those as well. I guess the real difference between us comes down to how corporate the BMC can become. I think it's already improved significantly in this direction in the recent AGM changes but I where suspect it has gone almost as far as the average voting member will tolerate, Simon would clearly like more change. I didn't see this type of political battle coming or I would not have trusted Simon and voted for Gron. I don't see I need to kiss and make up as I still believe in most of the same things and I suspect the BMC report will clear things up. On the attack on Lynn I will forgive as he is clearly angry and lashing out .... the President role is political and she is a woman who never 'knew her place' in a male dominated arena. I am a bit like Simon: too focussed on negative nit picking. Lynn is much more positive and broader in outlook being trained in modern management best practice: inspire, focus, enhance, support, encourage. She can't comment herself as she is still crossing Scotland in the TGO challenge and was yesterday hanging her clean linen in public in Braemar.

I need to read your 'mad' stuff as it will I suspect be a fun distraction but I still have some exam marking to finish for tomorrow am. It includes some Visual Psychology.... why we sometimes see things that aren't correct .

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#324 Re: Changing the BMC
May 19, 2019, 06:25:23 pm
Ah well, hope u enjoy my ‘MaD StuFf’. It’s a deep irony that over the past month I’ve been called a boring, tedious attention seeking tit, my sanity questioned, etc etc. Yet people seem to be taking this BMC feud seriously. ThaT is the TrulY mad stuff.

 

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