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SA Chris said:
jfdm said:
so that they should sync seamlessly when passing files between the two.

Be a first.
IT issues always the same, it wouldn't be the first time that something didn't work properly.
If I go down the adobe route will let you know how I get on, regarding file sharing ;D
 
jfdm said:
Creative Cloud for teacher £16 a month, use photoshop loads at work so might be a good way to go, although supposed to quite slow on mac.

you can do proxy editing with Premier Pro, so might be OK (apart from rendering, but you can leave the machine overnight to do that)
 
lagerstarfish said:
you can do proxy editing with Premier Pro, so might be OK (apart from rendering, but you can leave the machine overnight to do that)
Gotcha,
Horse power not used for edit but when finally exporting.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vqrk9M0_YZU
You didnt get the idea for this from Dutch Steve mclaren/ Sean Connery
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsqFilCBKIY
Thanks though lagers have proxys in mind when editing large files.
You seem to know a lot about video, dabbler or pro?
 
jfdm said:
Thanks though lagers have proxys in mind when editing large files.
You seem to know a lot about video, dabbler or pro?

enthusiastic dabbler - but not so much recently

reason I know about proxy editing is from the old HV20 forum (now no longer in existence?)

I edited this on an IBM Thinkpad with a 1.4GHz Celeron and 2 GB of RAM - single core, coz that's what processors used to be (yeah IBM, remember them?)

https://vimeo.com/10108570

I did get IDed last Sunday by some bloke called Ben from down south :wave:
 
lagerstarfish said:
(yeah IBM, remember them?
I did get IDed last Sunday by some bloke called Ben from down south :wave:

Remember them, I think we still have a few floating around school in use!
Often loaned to teachers who pi*s off IT technician.
Think it was 99/00 I got PC 1ghz with gig of ram.
Thought I'd bought the earth, first started with Photoshop gig then.
It's only taken nearly 20 years to get round to video!
Anyway loved Conan, not surprised about ID check, you look pretty youthful!
 
Dan Cheetham said:
You can't go wrong with the Violent Femmes either.... good feeling.
Dan your films are always impressive.
What are you using to make them. Hardware/software.
Know that when you make film it's obviously more than just the tech.
But I bet more pro than dabbler?
 
Hi jfdm, thanks for the good vibes. I use a Mac book pro and fcpx and / or da Vinci resolve lite (which is free and since black magic updated it runs loads better on lower spec machines). I use some software like colour finale in fcpx but since the recent OS update it's gone to shit. the things most important to me that would struggle in iMovie are setting resolution, retiming clips and colour correction. I'm not really bothered about 4K so haven't run into any problems with cpu / Gpu slowing down etc. It takes a few mins to render a 20 min clip in prores hd.
 
For iOS, I've found Cameo (Vimeo's own editing app) alright. I used to use iMovie but it takes up loads of memory/disk space (my phone is near perma full) and Cameo takes up 20%.

It's basic (music, edits, titles) but does the job for a basic climbing vid - and for free Vimeo users it uploads vids direct straight away. None of this 'processing time' etc..

Because of this in he past I've edited on iMovie then uploaded via cameo.
 
while we're on the subject; anyone tried basic editing on an android phone?

which apps? opinions?
 
Dan Cheetham said:
the things most important to me that would struggle in iMovie are setting resolution, retiming clips and colour correction.
Dan thanks for your reply, when i watch your films, how are you getting that grainy old feel to your film? (Like the one below, really liked this one).
Maybe playing around with the resolution of the film and colour correction? Plus some kind of filter for the scratchy effect?
https://vimeo.com/205299994
Will look into your suggestions about the technical bits and pieces.
Looking at things online and having used iMovie briefly, I can to see the possible limitations already.

Largers - have iphone so cant help you out with this.
 
jfdm said:
Dan thanks for your reply, when i watch your films, how are you getting that grainy old feel to your film? (Like the one below, really liked this one).
Maybe playing around with the resolution of the film and colour correction? Plus some kind of filter for the scratchy effect?
https://vimeo.com/205299994

I believe that is film.
 
jfdm said:
Dan Cheetham said:
the things most important to me that would struggle in iMovie are setting resolution, retiming clips and colour correction.
Dan thanks for your reply, when i watch your films, how are you getting that grainy old feel to your film? (Like the one below, really liked this one).
Maybe playing around with the resolution of the film and colour correction? Plus some kind of filter for the scratchy effect?
https://vimeo.com/205299994
Will look into your suggestions about the technical bits and pieces.
Looking at things online and having used iMovie briefly, I can to see the possible limitations already.

Largers - have iphone so cant help you out with this.

Yeah, if you buy a cheap old camera on eBay and stick a cartridge in you'll most likely get similar effects like scratchy grainy looking footage depending on which film stock you use. You can actually get some pretty decent cameras cheaply if you're lucky and with modern film and scanning techniques they should give you a quality close to 16mm. I also used some various functions on the camera intentionally badly to over expose or give light traces etc. I recently picked up a couple of new cameras I'm going to experiment with over the next few months - one is the Agfa Movezoom used to shoot this aphex twin vid : https://vimeo.com/10861560
 
Dan Cheetham said:
Yeah, if you buy a cheap old camera on eBay and stick a cartridge in you'll most likely get similar effects like scratchy grainy looking footage depending on which film stock you use. You can actually get some pretty decent cameras cheaply if you're lucky and with modern film and scanning techniques they should give you a quality close to 16mm. I also used some various functions on the camera intentionally badly to over expose or give light traces etc. I recently picked up a couple of new cameras I'm going to experiment with over the next few months - one is the Agfa Movezoom
Amazing, think that the old 16mm cine camera's might be making a come back!
Last summer went on a teachers course at Tate to do with video and we created some work on old 16mm cine with b/w film.
It was time consuming to use, camera had a fixed focus, tape measure was used to get the focus, light meters , dark room for developing the film, but definitely worth it.
Blacks came out really black and lovely scratches/artifacts created during the developing stage.
The guy that ran the workshop also worked with really high def camera, showed some footage pretty amazing, camera was in the 10sof thousands£.
 
This is another old NLE suite (like Avid and lightworks) that is now available again as a free version.

https://www.media100.com

I haven't used it myself since this release, in fact I had more or less forgotten about it. I mostly work on Premiere and Avid these days (now that FCP 7 is dead). I think FCPX is good value and well specced, plus it has improved considerably since its disastrous launch a few years ago.
I suspect you would have to commit to a bit of a learning curve on lightworks, Avid free and Resolve. Premiere is easy enough, vegas and fcpx are pretty good that way too, I think (not so familiar with Vegas, but is was always highly regarded and had been around for a long time).
 
jfdm said:
Last summer went on a teachers course at Tate to do with video and we created some work on old 16mm cine with b/w film.
....Blacks came out really black and lovely scratches/artifacts created during the developing stage.

Bring back nitrate film! Okay, it may have been highly unstable, prone to igniting, and virtually impossible to extinguish (keeps burning under water or without air) but it produced gorgeous results that seem never to have been matched. Luminous white skin contrasting with lustrous black; the actresses from that period almost glow with an inner pale fire - surely that's worth a few incinerated cinemas!?
 


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