U-S-A! The American Politics Thread. (Read 506766 times)

DAVETHOMAS90 · January 26, 2021, 10:05:38 pm

Some points of trivia and further interest.

This thread has gone a bit quiet..

..now that everyone has moved onto post-Brexit trade, and crap problems in la Forêt.

Perhaps we should rename it
"The Muted Trumper" after the route by Andy Harris and Rich Heap (spotted and prepped by yours truly) from 1999 at Stanage?

The Duck and I share the same initials, David James Thomas and Donald John Trump. I'll have words with my mother later..

There's an excellent thread - among many others - at abc.net.au on the progress/outcome etc of impeachment proceedings, as well as the latest on dialogue between Biden and Putin..(the Butin):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/donald-trumps-impeachment-trial-outcomes/13088060

TobyD · January 28, 2021, 08:02:11 am

Although I think it's a good thing Trump is being impeached, it's a bit depressing that there's almost no chance of conviction in the Senate. He really needs to be in prison, but I suspect he'll end up running in 2024

Offwidth · January 28, 2021, 08:13:41 am

This loon is an elected congresswoman!?!?!? It's scary how bad things have got in the US. Trumpism is far from having gone away.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/27/marjorie-taylor-greene-republican-no-action-pelosi-execution

SA Chris · January 28, 2021, 08:16:21 am

Ridiculous. If any member of the public made those statements publicly the FBI would be all over them.

TobyD · February 01, 2021, 04:20:19 pm

Quote from: Offwidth on January 28, 2021, 08:13:41 am

This loon is an elected congresswoman!?!?!? It's scary how bad things have got in the US. Trumpism is far from having gone away.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/27/marjorie-taylor-greene-republican-no-action-pelosi-execution

She's not only a mental Q believer, and a congresswoman, but on an education committee as well. Perhaps the most frightening story in the states is the increasing mainstreaming of this sort of bullshit, as well as the increasing willingness of a number of politicians to pander to white supremacy, question legitimate democracy, and openly lie to voters, the media and anyone who will listen.
It's interesting reading some pieces by people who've investigated conspiracy theories extensively on the Q phenomenon. It's totally without any reason or original basis in any kind of reality, in the way that one might see that people are scared of things they don't understand, like vaccines or 5G, ridiculous though these might be as well. Its a sort of weird dungeons and dragons esque fantasy mass delusion as far as I can gather, and MTG should be nowhere near public authority of any kind.

Will Hunt · February 01, 2021, 04:43:14 pm

There's also a big nail in the coffin to come when Trump is not convicted in the Senate trial. How much faith can the citizens of western democracies have in the failsafes that protect democracy when it's made so blatant that those with their hands on the lever will back 'their guy' no matter what.

DAVETHOMAS90 · February 06, 2021, 05:20:50 am

Trump bashers.

I think I've heard enough.
Neither you, nor I are "all bad".

What made you smile today?

Offwidth · February 06, 2021, 08:59:36 am

MSNBC are having fun at Trump's expense but the fact is all past Presidents are called President. If we want to look at weird etiquette attached to positions of power the UK beats the US hands down. The real issue here is genuine abuse of the US constitution will be covered up for political ends.

DAVETHOMAS90 · February 06, 2021, 04:16:35 pm

Quote from: Offwidth on February 06, 2021, 08:59:36 am

MSNBC are having fun at Trump's expense but the fact is all past Presidents are called President. If we want to look at weird etiquette attached to positions of power the UK beats the US hands down. The real issue here is genuine abuse of the US constitution will be covered up for political ends.

Sorry you didn't find it as amusing as I did Offwidth

Loos3-tools · February 11, 2021, 05:56:45 pm

💗 Pilger

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnpilger/status/1359833046862622733

Loos3-tools · February 12, 2021, 08:55:08 am

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/12/24/pseudo-left-imperialists-healthcare/

teestub · February 12, 2021, 09:18:04 am

Be interesting to see if Trump’s lawyers come up with anything more useful today, although I guess they don’t really need to as they already know the vote will be in his favour.

DAVETHOMAS90 · February 13, 2021, 01:04:01 am

Fight club!

How much work must that have taken? Elizabeth Warren seems especially frightening!

Far too much emotive testimony in this show trial.

Loos3-tools · February 13, 2021, 06:59:03 am

Maybe they should get Hunter Biden in as an expert witness on corruption, nepotism, vice. Uncle joe could then drop him a couple of mil diverted from the health budget to employ him as a moral educator for the nation. Oh hang on a minute

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/us/hunter-biden-memoir.amp.html%3f0p19G=2103

teestub · February 13, 2021, 07:36:04 am

But her emails.

Quote from: DAVETHOMAS90 on February 13, 2021, 01:04:01 am

Far too much emotive testimony in this show trial.

It’s a bit sad that this is the best they can come up with in defence, but their poor performance isn’t actually going to change the outcome.

Loos3-tools · February 13, 2021, 08:41:07 am

Hey up I don’t think HB was charged? Doesn’t seem to matter when they literally get away with murder for power. Here’s an official looking document on outcomes of his case in the Ukraine. On basic level if they were to go all operation yew tree on the people associated with Epstein no doubt half these guys would be in the dirt. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

teestub · February 13, 2021, 09:03:30 am

Seems the best they could come up with was that it was ‘awkward’. Pales into comparison to the Trumps being banned from running charities etc.

Loos3-tools · February 13, 2021, 09:17:29 am

Don’t matter, non of it. All there is left to do is sit back and watch the show.

seankenny · February 13, 2021, 11:05:50 am

Quote from: Loos3-tools on February 13, 2021, 08:41:07 am

Hey up I don’t think HB was charged? Doesn’t seem to matter when they literally get away with murder for power. Here’s an official looking document on outcomes of his case in the Ukraine. On basic level if they were to go all operation yew tree on the people associated with Epstein no doubt half these guys would be in the dirt. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

Was that a report from the committee headed by two Trump loyalist senators which rehashed Russian misinformation? The conclusion is full of apparently and no actual hard findings that it’s hard to take it seriously.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

Posting pro-Trump stuff and John Pilger links on one thread, and anti-lockdown, anti “liberal elite” stuff on another. You so called free thinkers really are the most predictable and tedious men.

Will Hunt · February 13, 2021, 11:16:13 am

I like the poems though.

Oldmanmatt · February 13, 2021, 11:25:36 am

Quote from: seankenny on February 13, 2021, 11:05:50 am

Quote from: Loos3-tools on February 13, 2021, 08:41:07 am
Hey up I don’t think HB was charged? Doesn’t seem to matter when they literally get away with murder for power. Here’s an official looking document on outcomes of his case in the Ukraine. On basic level if they were to go all operation yew tree on the people associated with Epstein no doubt half these guys would be in the dirt. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

Was that a report from the committee headed by two Trump loyalist senators which rehashed Russian misinformation? The conclusion is full of apparently and no actual hard findings that it’s hard to take it seriously.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

Posting pro-Trump stuff and John Pilger links on one thread, and anti-lockdown, anti “liberal elite” stuff on another. You so called free thinkers really are the most predictable and tedious men.

Dude, you’re missing the point!
If it’s Russian “misinformation” or dubious conjecture from right wing pundits or politicians, it’s “real” as is anything from the other extreme.
If it’s reporting, with citations etc, in something other than headline format, in a publication that doesn’t support his world view, then it’s “programming”.
Evidence that doesn’t support his preferred conjecture, is automatically misinformation, but random unsupported statements or memes that do, are gospels to be worshipped.

It must be overwhelming to feel so out of control, so lost and helpless, that you begin to create alternative realities, where you become the “Elite”. Where you become one of the enlightened. Part of that small group, who alone know the truth. Suddenly, it’s all black and white.

A bit like buying an electric bike and suddenly believing you’re the worlds greatest cyclist, even as your feet stop moving...

Loos3-tools · February 13, 2021, 12:07:15 pm

Is John Pilger bad? I thought he made interesting documentaries and was respected for it

Offwidth · February 13, 2021, 05:28:25 pm

So the Impeachment trial is not over and they are probably calling witnesses. This tweet showing Trumps indifference to the situation house representatives were in seemed to be crucial to that decision.

https://twitter.com/HerreraBeutler/status/1360419828721401856?s=20

Offwidth · February 13, 2021, 11:59:14 pm

....and then the democrats blink.

teestub · February 14, 2021, 07:50:41 am

Quote from: Offwidth on February 13, 2021, 11:59:14 pm

....and then the democrats blink.

I think they were right to wrap up and move on, it was obvious that they weren’t going to get the votes no matter how much evidence was presented so they were just wasting time. Any arguments about it needing to form a public record seem moot, it’s all there in many media forms.