[Oldmanmatt]

I, for one, will unapologetically be raising a glass in thanks at 6pm (CET) this evening.

Agreed.
But doesn’t it feel like a long time away, right now?

[andy popp]

I don't know, it feels within touching distance to me.

[Oldmanmatt]

12 Guardsmen removed from the Capitol in the last 24hrs.

It only takes one.

[Will Hunt]

I'm waiting to hear that he's out of office and hasn't pardoned himself. Then I can be happy.

[J_duds]

if he pardons himself, doesn't he admit guilt, and then perhaps a civil case against him?

[andy popp]

He's not going to pardon himself (or any of his family or Giuliani).

@Matt, yes, of course.

[tomtom]

He's not going to pardon himself (or any of his family or Giuliani).

@Matt, yes, of course.

Wasnt there the possibility of 'hidden pardons' as in those signed by Trump but not released? (though given how everything has to be recorded not sure how that would happen)

[SA Chris]

I, for one, will unapologetically be raising a glass in thanks at 6pm (CET) this evening.

At this point, can this topic be locked and logged?

[SamT]

Probably not, since I don't think we've heard the last! Sadly.

[Bradders]

I, for one, will unapologetically be raising a glass in thanks at 6pm (CET) this evening.

At this point, can this topic be locked and logged?

No chance, we need to keep an eye on progress through impeachment > trial > sentencing > imprisonment (he says, hopefully).

[Ged]

I'd still be keen for a change of topic title if nothing else. At the very least, him not having a platform is important. There seemed to be a consensus this would be a good thing a while back. Any chance? "American politics"?

[mrjonathanr]

Debating him under whatever title is fine by me, but I can’t quite see how ukb is giving him a platform? Do you think he’ll post here under a pseudonym or something more direct like THE REALPOTUS?

[SamT]

He might not post here, but I guess Camp 4 and J Tree will be alive with the call to arms.  Boulderers everywhere donning their red caps and buffalo skin viking horned hats. 

[duncan]

I'd still be keen for a change of topic title if nothing else. At the very least, him not having a platform is important. There seemed to be a consensus this would be a good thing a while back. Any chance? "American politics"?

I asked for suggestions last week! I’m waiting til 1200 CET but, assuming Trump is no longer in power, I’ll retitle the thread to encourage a more general discussion of US politics. The Californian sparkling white is in the fridge...

[Will Hunt]

Shall we start a pool on when he gets arrested?

[Oldmanmatt]

Shall we start a pool on when he gets arrested?

What time is he due to step off Marine One?

Belay that.

He’s already transferred to Airforce One. I assume that designation will change shortly.

So he’ll be in Florida when he becomes Ex-President Trump. That’s enemy territory isn’t it, so it might be a while before the Union forces catch up to him.

[teestub]

I love that the Mar a Lago neighbours put a planning condition on the development that Trump could only spend a limited amount of time there each year 😂

[Oldmanmatt]

A Black, Female, Firefighter, leading and Signing the pledge of Allegiance.

Pence must have been dying inside.
I hope.

[andy popp]

A Black, Female, Firefighter, leading and Signing the pledge of Allegiance.

Just as important, she was explicitly there as a representative of organized labour.

[seankenny]

I'd still be keen for a change of topic title if nothing else. At the very least, him not having a platform is important. There seemed to be a consensus this would be a good thing a while back. Any chance? "American politics"?

I asked for suggestions last week! I’m waiting til 1200 CET but, assuming Trump is no longer in power, I’ll retitle the thread to encourage a more general discussion of US politics. The Californian sparkling white is in the fridge...

“When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat.”
George Carlin (American comedian)


McNulty: I gotta ask ya: If every time Snotboogie would grab the money and run away, why'd you even let him in the game?

Man On Stoop: What?

McNulty: If Snotboogie always stole the money, why'd you let him play?

Man On Stoop: Got to. This America, man.

- The Wire

And if you can't get a thread title out of those two quotes, well I shake my head and swear like Clay Davis.

With apologies to our American readers, in case it's not obvious, I love the US. Well, maybe.

[mrjonathanr]

Carlin was one of the greats. I don’t get tired of watching Bill Hicks either. I know we get a lot of links to the Grauniad, but the 1st Dog comic strip is great today. And Australian.

Who -honestly- can’t relate to frame #4?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/20/we-made-it-happy-united-states-presidential-inauguration-day-everyone

[andy popp]

Great new title!

[DAVETHOMAS90]

The Californian sparkling white is in the fridge...

Is that a reference to the Old Austrian Oak himself, or am I coming at this from the wrong angle?

Regardless, cause for celebration indeed..

I spoke to Andy last night - hope this is going to be OK AP 

He's understandably somewhat bashful, and our resident historian didn't want to appear too self-congratulatory, so I said I'd oblige.

Andy has just been given a commission for what we understand will be intended as "the definitive historical reference". As something of a philanthropic gesture, the patron has asked that they remain anonymous, but let's just say Andy won't have to work again - except on his unfulfilled potential 

The working title of this fine opus is going to be "The Great World Leaders of the 21st Century. American political history from Obama to Biden".

Raise a glass of sparkling Californian coolness indeed  (or beer)


fake news.. Hope you don't mind the obvious piss take Andy. You should have accepted the military salute though

[Oldmanmatt]

The Vanity Fair article, which is exceptionally candid, about the state of the DOD at the time of the Capitol insurrection, is an eye opener.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/embedding-with-pentagon-leadership-in-trumps-chaotic-last-week?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=vanity-fair&utm_social-type=earned

[seankenny]

Some American politics from the other end. An assessment of Bernie Sanders:

https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/the-bernie-movement-an-assessment