UKBouldering.com

U-S-A! The American Politics Thread. (Read 506608 times)

andy popp

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 5541
  • Karma: +347/-5
#1850 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 04:44:58 pm
Slightly different decisions on what can be called - probably Maine and Nebraska given the difference of three.

tomtom

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 20287
  • Karma: +642/-11
#1851 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 05:01:50 pm
Guardian has AZ as called. BBC and Sky don’t.

James Malloch

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 1690
  • Karma: +63/-1
#1852 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 05:10:18 pm
Is there any way for Biden to win the Senate if he wins the predicted states?

andy popp

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 5541
  • Karma: +347/-5
#1853 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 05:13:24 pm
No, separate races. The Senate is out of play for the Democrats.

mark20

Offline
  • ****
  • junky
  • Posts: 877
  • Karma: +128/-0
#1854 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 05:16:31 pm
After the last few weeks sowing the seeds of doubt around postal votes, Donald Trump is ramping it up on Twitter now
“Last night I was leading, often solidly, in many key States, in almost all instances Democrat run & controlled. Then, one by one, they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted. VERY STRANGE”

“They are working hard to make up 500,000 vote advantage in Pennsylvania disappear — ASAP. Likewise, Michigan and others!”

Really concerning
 

SA Chris

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 29255
  • Karma: +632/-11
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
#1855 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 05:29:21 pm
He was always going to do that, been sowing those seeds for years.

When I looked at about 3am Biden had a clear lead.

SA Chris

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 29255
  • Karma: +632/-11
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
#1856 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 05:31:08 pm
Guardian has AZ as called. BBC and Sky don’t.

Google seems to be using live updated of the Associated Press calls, which should be the most accurate?

Oldmanmatt

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • At this rate, I probably won’t last the week.
  • Posts: 7108
  • Karma: +368/-17
  • Largely broken. Obsolete spares and scrap only.
    • The Boulder Bunker climbing centre
#1857 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 06:09:31 pm
I’ve just seen a FB from the Biden campaign claiming they will win:

https://www.facebook.com/7860876103/posts/10157676027636104/

And the Trump PA lead is down to ~400k, with 1.4M vote still to count.
All postal and if the split on the already counted ballots (around 70-80% Biden) continues, Biden will take PA too.

I fear some optimism is creeping into my psychi, given the last 48 hrs of my life, this is somewhat surprising...
« Last Edit: November 04, 2020, 06:20:12 pm by Oldmanmatt »

tomtom

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 20287
  • Karma: +642/-11
#1858 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 06:16:26 pm
This page - below the map - has a really useful table of the undecided states with the number of votes left to be counted and the present tallies. Useful! Still 3million to count in PA!

This is now starting to play out just as predicted on C4 news - trump leads early - then as the postal votes get counted he’s reeled in.

Sasquatch

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 1984
  • Karma: +153/-1
  • www.akclimber.com
    • AkClimber
#1859 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 06:31:19 pm
I thought this was the best set of graphic for understanding when votes get counted. 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/politics/when-votes-counted-tonight-election.html

PA and NC are still receiving ballots, so there's no way we'll have a final answer until way later. 

Hell, I'm in Alaska, and they won't even start tabuating mail-in votes until the 10th.  So far 150K out of a total of 350-400K votes have been counted.  We really won't know until mid november up here, and while AK is generally considered "safe", the electoral college could turn on 3 votes :)  (i know- wishful thinking)

tomtom

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 20287
  • Karma: +642/-11
#1860 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 07:51:57 pm
So with WI being called by AP - I recon if he gets Nevada and Michigan (where Biden is ahead by a reasonable margin) then that’s 270!

SA Chris

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 29255
  • Karma: +632/-11
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
#1861 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 08:15:18 pm
Nevada is tight though, less than 8000 votes difference..

tomtom

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 20287
  • Karma: +642/-11
#1862 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 08:41:56 pm
Nevada is tight though, less than 8000 votes difference..

But the counties yet to finish reporting are either tiny (in numbers - hundreds of voters) and Vegas - that has hundreds of thousands with a high Biden percentage already...

Fuck knows why they’ve decided to do nothing until Thursday though!

andy popp

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 5541
  • Karma: +347/-5
#1863 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 08:47:01 pm
Fuck knows why they’ve decided to do nothing until Thursday though!

Same in PA. God knows ...

They knocked off at 4pm where we used to live because they are "burnt out." Very weirdly UnAmerican and suspiciously European - next they'll be demanding siestas, numerous coffee and cigarette breaks, and consuming Pastis on the way to work in the morning.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2020, 09:02:39 pm by andy popp »

tomtom

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 20287
  • Karma: +642/-11
#1864 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 09:18:24 pm
I think Bidens going to get PA...

It was a Trump lead of 460 000 with 80% counted,
Now a Trump lead of 350 000 with 83% counted...
Update Trump lead of 315 000 with 86% counted...

Gonna be close!
« Last Edit: November 04, 2020, 09:36:11 pm by tomtom »

mrjonathanr

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 5400
  • Karma: +246/-6
  • Getting fatter, not fitter.
#1865 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 09:35:25 pm
If so, that should be game over.

Bar the lawsuits.

SA Chris

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 29255
  • Karma: +632/-11
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
#1866 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 10:31:47 pm
Fuck knows why they’ve decided to do nothing until Thursday though!

Same in PA. God knows ...

They knocked off at 4pm where we used to live because they are "burnt out." Very weirdly UnAmerican and suspiciously European - next they'll be demanding siestas, numerous coffee and cigarette breaks, and consuming Pastis on the way to work in the morning.

So I can stop refreshing every 5 minutes now until tomorrow morning US time?

Offwidth

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 1768
  • Karma: +57/-13
    • Offwidth
#1867 Re: Trump
November 04, 2020, 11:30:53 pm
I now think a narrow Biden win is marginally more likely, but it's going to be a largely Pyrrhic victory.

I sure hope so, as there are a lot of Trump decisions that need to go on a bonfire.

tomtom

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 20287
  • Karma: +642/-11
#1868 Re: Trump
November 05, 2020, 06:27:05 am
Biden lead in AZ narrowing...

But Georgia now into play with Trumps lead down to 24k....

andy popp

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 5541
  • Karma: +347/-5
#1869 Re: Trump
November 05, 2020, 07:12:07 am
Biden lead in AZ narrowing...

AP called Arizona overnight, and the Guardian is including it in its headline figure of 264, but it still looks too close to breathe easy yet. Most importantly in all the still open races as yet uncounted votes come very largely from heavily Democratic areas. I suspect PA will not finish counting today but we could still see a result.

Snoops

Offline
  • ***
  • obsessive maniac
  • Posts: 497
  • Karma: +20/-0
#1870 Re: Trump
November 05, 2020, 07:12:25 am
Biden looks likely winner now.
He’s likely not going to have the senate which means he won’t be able to do much.
Sadly the real story is not if he just scrapes a win but the fact that half the USA seem to think it was okay to have a odious narcissist in charge for another 4 years....that’s really sad for all of us

Fultonius

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 4331
  • Karma: +138/-3
  • Was strong but crap, now weaker but better.
    • Photos
#1871 Re: Trump
November 05, 2020, 07:48:56 am
 Without the senate, can Biden still roll back all of trumps rash executive powers? And... Can he do the same?

I fear the climate plans he has wouldn't get through the senate.

Davo

Offline
  • ***
  • obsessive maniac
  • Posts: 442
  • Karma: +24/-4
#1872 Re: Trump
November 05, 2020, 08:20:16 am
Biden looks likely winner now.
He’s likely not going to have the senate which means he won’t be able to do much.
Sadly the real story is not if he just scrapes a win but the fact that half the USA seem to think it was okay to have a odious narcissist in charge for another 4 years....that’s really sad for all of us

Some would say we have the same issue here!

TobyD

Offline
  • *****
  • forum hero
  • Posts: 3838
  • Karma: +88/-3
  • Job offers gratefully accepted
#1873 Re: Trump
November 05, 2020, 08:37:10 am
Another possible upside, and this may be a misreading of how the votes have fallen, could be that a Republican win in the Senate but a loss of the White House provides an indication that the electorate wanted to vote Republican but was put off by Trump. It might help put the brakes on populism and avoid a Trump or someone like them on the ticket next time.

I'm sorry Will, but this is pure magical thinking. I bet you can get some pretty good odds on Don Jr. in 2024.

Ivanka.

ali k

Offline
  • ****
  • junky
  • Posts: 950
  • Karma: +38/-1
#1874 Re: Trump
November 05, 2020, 08:44:10 am
Sadly the real story is...the fact that half the USA seem to think it was okay to have a odious narcissist in charge for another 4 years....that’s really sad for all of us
Some would say we have the same issue here!

I was going to say the same. That’s what’s most depressing to me, that Britain Trump will likely run another successful campaign in 2024.

 

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2024, SimplePortal