[Oldmanmatt]

If any of you read the Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal strip, the cartoonist penned this in response to current events:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xLndd-U4pAwdvGKGkZif96BQLE_t0tVnGbNHBubisyQ/mobilebasic


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[jfdm]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/donald-trump-fascist-video-mp-dennis-skinner-boris-johnson-a7553881.html
At last some backbone and opposition.
Fortunately I have a "cupboard underneath the stairs."
So if Trump sets off the nukes I be alright.
If anybody needs refuge just let me know...
 

[slackline]

Trumps corporate Twitter trolling tapped to support puppies

[dave]

More purging of opposition. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38805944

[SA Chris]

He thinks he's still on the Apprentice.

[seankenny]

Worrying conmentary https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.2c1hsc8iu

Worth reading in conjunction with that:

https://tompepinsky.com/2017/01/30/weak-and-incompetent-leaders-act-like-strong-leaders/

[tomtom]

^^ well worth a read for an alternative view...

[Nails]

Very much hoping that Pepinsky is right.

[r-man]

Political scientist?

Is that American for "historian"?

[andy popp]

Its English for political scientist 

I'm not sure I find Pepinsky's analysis any more reassuring than the alternatives.

[duncan]

Trump's Muslim ban 'A shock event'.

In other words, keep your eye on the ball.

[Oldmanmatt]

I suspect both opinions were formed and articles drafted without the sacking of Yates in mind. That feels more ominous than inept, though as Andy says; which is worse?


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[slackline]

"2016 Presidential Shitshow" is used on another forum I use and seems to fit the bill.

[Oldmanmatt]

Rise of the Fourth Reich?

Sorry, too melodramatic?


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[Oldmanmatt]

Or, borrow Roth's title "The plot against America"?

Strangely similar opening scene...


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[mrjonathanr]

Shall I rename this thread? If so, any suggestions?

"President Trump" 

"Trump" would be quite sufficient.

[petejh]

Very much hoping that Pepinsky is right.

Rings more true to me. The footage of the speech he gave to the CIA doesn't show a powerful force but someone out of their depth talking gibberish. Likewise the May visit - it looked to me like he relished being associated with a *competent respected politician becasue it made him look more respectable and important than he can achieve by himself.

I'd put money on him being shown up as out of his depth and the public turning against him within two years.


*whatever your political views, May is deemed by most a competent and respected political leader. At least compared to a Corbyn or a Trump.

[Oldmanmatt]

Very much hoping that Pepinsky is right.

Rings more true to me. The footage of the speech he gave to the CIA doesn't show a powerful force but someone out of their depth talking gibberish. Likewise the May visit - it looked to me like he relished being associated with a *competent respected politician becasue it made him look more respectable and important than he can achieve by himself.

I'd put money on him being shown up as out of his depth and the public turning against him within two years.


*whatever your political views, May is deemed by most a competent and respected political leader. At least compared to a Corbyn or a Trump.

God I hope it's incompetence.

I think the implication of the "coup" theory is that Bannon constitutes the power, not Trump.
Bannon is not the crazed "Rush Limbaugh" character I first thought him to be. Former Naval officer and highly successful businessman, movie producer etc etc.
Classic senior Nazi material by the standards of the 1930's; so why not now?


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[mrjonathanr]

I think the implication of the "coup" theory is that Bannon constitutes the power, not Trump.

So it is suggested. I think Trump lacks skill and competence but by driving a coach and horses through constitutional safeguards society could be more at risk from éminences grises than éminences oranges.

[Oldmanmatt]

society could be more at risk from éminences grises than éminences oranges.

Ooo..  I like that line.🤡[emoji12]


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[andy popp]

Very much hoping that Pepinsky is right.

Rings more true to me. The footage of the speech he gave to the CIA doesn't show a powerful force but someone out of their depth talking gibberish. Likewise the May visit - it looked to me like he relished being associated with a *competent respected politician becasue it made him look more respectable and important than he can achieve by himself.

I'd put money on him being shown up as out of his depth and the public turning against him within two years.


*whatever your political views, May is deemed by most a competent and respected political leader. At least compared to a Corbyn or a Trump.

God I hope it's incompetence.

I think the implication of the "coup" theory is that Bannon constitutes the power, not Trump.
Bannon is not the crazed "Rush Limbaugh" character I first thought him to be. Former Naval officer and highly successful businessman, movie producer etc etc.
Classic senior Nazi material by the standards of the 1930's; so why not now?


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No, Bannon is very, very crazed. He wants to plunge the world into what he believes will be a cleansing chaos.

[Duma]

Read somewhere yesterday (sorry can't find link now) that Brannon would need Senate confirmation for the NSC, hope they take him apart.

[Oldmanmatt]

Yes, didn't mean to imply he wasn't crazed but point out he is truly a "Bond villain"; in as much as there is a sharp intellect behind the lunacy.


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[fried]

Rise of the Fourth Reich?

Sorry, too melodramatic?

It certainly feels like that's a possible path.

Good long-form article in The Atlantic on that topic: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/03/how-to-build-an-autocracy/513872/ (from a former Dubya speechwriter, which shows how far we have travelled.)

"What happens in the next four years will depend heavily on whether Trump is right or wrong about how little Americans care about their democracy and the habits and conventions that sustain it. If they surprise him, they can restrain him."

Excellent article. Lots of good stuff. Keep linking them up people

[Duma]

Read somewhere yesterday (sorry can't find link now) that Brannon would need Senate confirmation for the NSC, hope they take him apart.

Snopes says he won't (palmer reports was what I saw yesterday)

http://www.snopes.com/steve-bannon-need-senate-confirmation-hearing-sit-nsc/