Quote from: Duncan campbell on March 16, 2016, 09:04:50 amAll of this sponsorship rubbish is so far removed from my own climbing that I dont let it bother me. to the extent that most news of 'cutting edge first ascents' or 'significant repeats' is of litte interest to me beyond a gap filler at work to relieve the tedium (theres only so much Linux stuff I can read).
All of this sponsorship rubbish is so far removed from my own climbing that I dont let it bother me.
Quote from: GuyVG on March 16, 2016, 09:14:32 amQuote from: Duncan campbell on March 16, 2016, 09:04:50 amI have seen examples of non-pros doing the whole tagging brands and hashtagging and posing topless and i do find it disheartening but also a bit funny. In some ways it is sad that lesser pros get a bigger slice of the pie but that is the nature of the sponsorship game. You are promoting a brand, that is a major part of your job. nothing in life is for free.It's really good value money for the brands too as their 'ambassadors' do a fuck load of marketing for them for what appears to be a couple of shoes and some stickers.Is it though? How much does anyone take notice of what Sponsored heroes wear? I'm not about to buy a pair of 5.10 Moccasyms because Ned climbed 8B in them. Nor am I going to buy a pair of bright orange Marmot trousers because Mawson wears them. Sometimes I'll see a few people using gear that I think looks good/appropriate for what I want and if they are using them for the type of things Im keen for then I might take notice but apart from that it doesn't work on me.
Quote from: Duncan campbell on March 16, 2016, 09:04:50 amI have seen examples of non-pros doing the whole tagging brands and hashtagging and posing topless and i do find it disheartening but also a bit funny. In some ways it is sad that lesser pros get a bigger slice of the pie but that is the nature of the sponsorship game. You are promoting a brand, that is a major part of your job. nothing in life is for free.It's really good value money for the brands too as their 'ambassadors' do a fuck load of marketing for them for what appears to be a couple of shoes and some stickers.
I have seen examples of non-pros doing the whole tagging brands and hashtagging and posing topless and i do find it disheartening but also a bit funny. In some ways it is sad that lesser pros get a bigger slice of the pie but that is the nature of the sponsorship game. You are promoting a brand, that is a major part of your job. nothing in life is for free.
If Ned and all the other UK wads suddenly started wearing Madrocks I bet you'd considered checking out a pair. We are all slaves to advertising.
Quote from: Duncan campbell on March 16, 2016, 10:32:26 amQuote from: GuyVG on March 16, 2016, 09:14:32 amQuote from: Duncan campbell on March 16, 2016, 09:04:50 amI have seen examples of non-pros doing the whole tagging brands and hashtagging and posing topless and i do find it disheartening but also a bit funny. In some ways it is sad that lesser pros get a bigger slice of the pie but that is the nature of the sponsorship game. You are promoting a brand, that is a major part of your job. nothing in life is for free.It's really good value money for the brands too as their 'ambassadors' do a fuck load of marketing for them for what appears to be a couple of shoes and some stickers.Is it though? How much does anyone take notice of what Sponsored heroes wear? I'm not about to buy a pair of 5.10 Moccasyms because Ned climbed 8B in them. Nor am I going to buy a pair of bright orange Marmot trousers because Mawson wears them. Sometimes I'll see a few people using gear that I think looks good/appropriate for what I want and if they are using them for the type of things Im keen for then I might take notice but apart from that it doesn't work on me.You may be immune to it but if you see all the trendy kids down TCA Glasgow wearing their puffy down jackets to go indoor bouldering in an adequately heated room...you'd know that people are influenced by what they see.
If food did become scarce the first thing he'd have done was eat the sport climbers.
#Hijackalert: I don't believe Slackers wrote that, too many typo's and not liking Linux 'that' much?!. C'mon!
I can only concentrate on one thing for so long (i.e. work) and find it awkward switching to another (unrelated) topic that requires concentration, hence watching simple climbing videos in between working rather than learning something new about Linux. I am a puny human
Whenever money and the need to get a sponsor enter into a person's climbing, usual rules that apply to climbing (matter-of-factness, hard climbs, etc.) go out of the window, and marketing rules enter. Pretty, handsome, easy to sell, politically correct, these are the things that count. Compromise, compromise, compromise. You basically accept to forswear the truth. You can't say that a route is shit, because your sponsors would not like it. You can't say that you crushed it to atoms, you can't say that someone doesn't deserve a sponsorship, etc. We can't be friends with everyone and we shouldn't be.
Guy, Duncan, have you never been to Font? Its like a fucking catalogue shoot. Succinctly put by Grimer:http://twitter.com/grimerclimber/status/583921566356008960
Quote from: Fultonius on March 16, 2016, 10:44:57 amYou may be immune to it but if you see all the trendy kids down TCA Glasgow wearing their puffy down jackets to go indoor bouldering in an adequately heated room...you'd know that people are influenced by what they see.what he said Dunc but you can apply that to that any wall with bumblers and chummers.
You may be immune to it but if you see all the trendy kids down TCA Glasgow wearing their puffy down jackets to go indoor bouldering in an adequately heated room...you'd know that people are influenced by what they see.
I don't really see how climbing is different from any other field in relation to this. Want to be good at something? Do it lots. Want to get paid for being good at something? Build your profile.Are the bestselling books the 'best' books, the most insightful, the best written? Probably mostly not, they're the ones that are marketed the hardest.Are the biggest blockbuster films the best films? Same answer.Was David Beckham the best footballer of his time, or the one who was best at marketing himself as a brand?Anna Kournikova made a lot of money from tennis sponsorship - was she the best or the best brand opportunity/best looking?
Quote from: Will Hunt on March 16, 2016, 12:19:33 pmGuy, Duncan, have you never been to Font? Its like a fucking catalogue shoot. Succinctly put by Grimer:http://twitter.com/grimerclimber/status/583921566356008960I have only spent one evening in Font on the way back from Ceuse, and was mainly concentrating on how fun it was bezzing around a circuit getting spanked and doing really ace problems. Who notices or even cares whether people change their clothes a lot during the day? (I actually struggle to believe this happens)Quote from: GuyVG on March 16, 2016, 11:42:01 amQuote from: Fultonius on March 16, 2016, 10:44:57 amYou may be immune to it but if you see all the trendy kids down TCA Glasgow wearing their puffy down jackets to go indoor bouldering in an adequately heated room...you'd know that people are influenced by what they see.what he said Dunc but you can apply that to that any wall with bumblers and chummers.If the above didn't court media I wouldnt have anyhting to watch in my lunch break so there would be a loss. As for those who maybe I don't feel deserve sponsorship or dont embody the spirit of climbing the way I see it I ignore. And i have no bitterness towards the system.
Quote from: Duncan campbell on March 16, 2016, 12:53:02 pmQuote from: Will Hunt on March 16, 2016, 12:19:33 pmGuy, Duncan, have you never been to Font? Its like a fucking catalogue shoot. Succinctly put by Grimer:http://twitter.com/grimerclimber/status/583921566356008960I have only spent one evening in Font on the way back from Ceuse, and was mainly concentrating on how fun it was bezzing around a circuit getting spanked and doing really ace problems. Who notices or even cares whether people change their clothes a lot during the day? (I actually struggle to believe this happens)Quote from: GuyVG on March 16, 2016, 11:42:01 amQuote from: Fultonius on March 16, 2016, 10:44:57 amYou may be immune to it but if you see all the trendy kids down TCA Glasgow wearing their puffy down jackets to go indoor bouldering in an adequately heated room...you'd know that people are influenced by what they see.what he said Dunc but you can apply that to that any wall with bumblers and chummers.If the above didn't court media I wouldnt have anyhting to watch in my lunch break so there would be a loss. As for those who maybe I don't feel deserve sponsorship or dont embody the spirit of climbing the way I see it I ignore. And i have no bitterness towards the system. You must have some bitterness or at least understand others bitterness becuase I saw your first post on this thread before you edited it those two chaps are REALLY annoying
Just saw this and it really made me laughhttps://twitter.com/ClimbingRumours/status/709825506573729793I would wad you guys if I could [/quoteThe irony of that climbing rumours feed is the person posting it comes across as sycophantic
You must have some bitterness or at least understand others bitterness becuase I saw your first post on this thread before you edited it those two chaps are REALLY annoying
I sort of understand where people are coming from but I don't understand why you all let it get to you so
Quote from: GuyVG on March 16, 2016, 01:00:48 pmYou must have some bitterness or at least understand others bitterness becuase I saw your first post on this thread before you edited it those two chaps are REALLY annoying@fiveten_official @fivetenuk @pitchclimbing @frictionlabs @monkeyfistclimbing #climbing #climbingtraining #climbbeyond #climbing_is_my_passion #climbing_pictures_of_instagram #brandofthebrave #climbyourimpossibleAs an aside, they seem really nice in person which just makes their online presence more unfortunate really.
Science too apparently http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b072jdqm
Quote from: Duncan campbell on March 16, 2016, 10:32:26 amIs it though? How much does anyone take notice of what Sponsored heroes wear? I'm not about to buy a pair of 5.10 Moccasyms because Ned climbed 8B in them. Nor am I going to buy a pair of bright orange Marmot trousers because Mawson wears them. Sometimes I'll see a few people using gear that I think looks good/appropriate for what I want and if they are using them for the type of things Im keen for then I might take notice but apart from that it doesn't work on me.If Ned and all the other UK wads suddenly started wearing Madrocks I bet you'd considered checking out a pair. We are all slaves to advertising.
Is it though? How much does anyone take notice of what Sponsored heroes wear? I'm not about to buy a pair of 5.10 Moccasyms because Ned climbed 8B in them. Nor am I going to buy a pair of bright orange Marmot trousers because Mawson wears them. Sometimes I'll see a few people using gear that I think looks good/appropriate for what I want and if they are using them for the type of things Im keen for then I might take notice but apart from that it doesn't work on me.
Quote from: Duncan campbell on March 16, 2016, 01:14:22 pmI sort of understand where people are coming from but I don't understand why you all let it get to you so No-one is losing sleep over it, I think that climbing means a lot to us and that means climbing as a culture not just as an individual activity.