[GraemeA]

As a parallel, of the IFSC World Cup events - how many are held at climbing walls? Toronto is the only one I think? The rest are in public spaces, presumably to capture the non-climbing crowd too and generate more interest in competitive climbing.

Toronto has moved on from the climbing wall host, this year it was in an ice hockey arena.

Thinking back over the years there have been very few BWC's held at climbing walls. Toronto was for 2 years. Vienna was at a wall but it was outside with space for a thousand or so spectators. Greifensee (Zurich) was a similar deal but maybe only space for around 750 spectators. Reunion was a permanent wall inside a sports centre.

[maybe_si]

Was that video an advert for the proper video?  Or was that it?!

[GraemeA]

Is there some kind of conflict-of-interest thing here that prevents the BMC actively pushing this, based on the fact its happening at the paid-entry Heason-run Cliffhanger event? I.e. you've got to pay to get in to a trade show to watch it. I.e. would amount to a members organization, partially funded by public money, promoting an event to the effect of lining the pockets of a private promoter? I have no idea if this is the reasoning, but its a possibility.

The private promoter is Sheffield City Council. Cliffhanger is not Matt's event, although he has done a grand job of making most people think it is! SCC underwrite the whole event, they lost a mint when the rest of Cliffhanger got rained off 3 years ago, the BBC still went a head at considerable cost to SCC. So no, you are wrong.

I have my own theories but won't be posting them publicly 

[Three Nine]

Was that video an advert for the proper video?  Or was that it?!

+1 ??

[Oldmanmatt]

Is there really not a suitable indoor wall in the UK prepared to run this event over a weekend for significantly less than it costs to set up a marquee in a public park during a trade-show? I smell Sheffield-centric cliques at work.

It's lucky that Sheffield City Council are prepared to financially support the BBCs.

Yes of course there are walls that have the facilities to host the BBC in front of a couple of hundred spectators, just like 2014 when we hosted the BBC.

But the idea is to have the BBC in front of a few thousand spectators hence it needs to go to temporary wall with lots of room for spectators.

That is a very valid argument.

But (and I may be wrong) wasn't this held inside a pay-to-enter event?

I would be able to get behind the ABC in conjunction with the BMC if they could organise such competitions separately.

I mean, I think we could contribute to the cost and if enough walls chipped in for national Lead and Bouldering competitions, that cost would not be onerous on any party.

Then ABC membership would seem worthwhile to little walls like mine (I now run two, the membership costs are too high for such low margin operations) and the community would be that much richer and better served.

I'm not anti- ABC (my post was a gentle prod to try and start a debate).
They do what they set out to do and not badly.
I just feel there is so much more that could be done.

The BMC remit is too broad for them to ever be able to devote the attention or funds that would turn this around. We, boulderers, are a minority group, as are Comp lead climbers etc etc and vastly outnumbered by other "Mountain" sport participants.

Those two groups are closely aligned in their needs and wants and are more closely connected to the Climbing wall industry than they are to any other aspect of Outdoor Pursuits.

And there are a lot of walls now.








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[iwasmexican]

http://tv.thebmc.co.uk/video/bmc-british-bouldering-championships-2015

Seriously, a 4min video?

...with only about 5 seconds of ty topping something? when there isnt enough footage of him about as it is...?

[a dense loner]

How does your mind work omm? What are you trying to say?

[Oldmanmatt]

Seriously?
Instead of being an arse, give a counter argument or convince me of my error.


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[a dense loner]

I honestly don't know what you're trying to say

[petejh]

Dense you've clearly got a viewpoint on this topic so why don't you just state it - so we can tell you you're out of your mind or just post abstract comments implying that we know better...

[Fiend]

+1 to the video comments, cool footage cool problems now where's the rest of it??

[r-man]

It's odd that people put so much effort into making edited comp highlight vids when all most climbers seem to want is unedited footage of the comp, streamed if possible, or released next day or two if not.

[a dense loner]

I agree with r-man. I have no opinion Pete, this is the 2nd time I'll say I don't see where matts going with his preamble.

[Three Nine]

+1 to the video comments, cool footage cool problems now where's the rest of it??

BMC say there isnt any

[GraemeA]

It is also odd that the NGB for (competition) climbing haven't made anything of the fact that we have a European Champion in Bouldering, Aidan Roberts Youth A http://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/calendar#!comp=1607&cat=82

[Three Nine]

From facebook:

Me: just stick the unedited footage up. A 4 min 'trailer/advert' isnt what people interested in comp climbing want to see


BMC: If 10 people email alex@thebmc.co.uk and ask for it, we'll see if we can give it a try.

Please email everyone. Dont leave it to someone else!

[dontfollowme]

Done

[Three Nine]

 

[DAVETHOMAS90]

It is also odd that the NGB for (competition) climbing haven't made anything of the fact that we have a European Champion in Bouldering, Aidan Roberts Youth A http://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/calendar#!comp=1607&cat=82

Nice work Graeme, and great effort Aidan Roberts! Do we have more info on Aidan? Had a quick look at the IFSC site. Not much info there.

Unfortunately, a lot of people putting on commercial events/shows will only really be interested in what they can add to the spectacle, and less interested in what's representative.

Great effort by you over the years, to bring the comps to Sheffield 

[Fiend]

Done.

[a dense loner]

Done

[DAVETHOMAS90]

 Done 

[tomtom]

Is Messenger going to start getting viagra emails next?

[pigeon]

Right, about this footage.

As you know, we've got BMC TV. And each year, Sport England pay enough for us to film some BMC events. This gets shared out, from walking days to local area fests to comps.Comps take up at least half of the filming days, which is great.

This is all very much on a BMC-sized budget, not a BBC-sized budget. So, think two psyched young guys with two DSLRS and a laptop living out of their van. Or car. Or someone's sofa.

Generally, it works. They're on it. They're keen. We get a whole range of films showing our work, all on within a week or two of each event.

The first couple of years, the highlights films of the BBCs and the BLCCs worked. We didn't have any good promo films of these events to show potential sponsors or promote the events for the next year. But now we have, and, to me, it feels like things also have moved on with people's expectation level. People want live or IFSC-style comprehensive footage afterwards.

We have a good set of these promo films now. We could try something different for the next major events. So, keep the feedback coming to alex@thebmc.co.uk and we'll feed it all in and attempt to give it a try. If it works, great. If no-one watches it, we'll rethink.

As far as these BBCs go, their brief was to do a highlights film, so they won't have captured everything. I've had 5 emails to far, so if 5 more people want it, I'll ask them to put some long rough cuts online.

Also, someone mentioned Aidan's recent win. There was also Max Milne and Hamish Pokotar. We've tweeted that, FB'ed it and are trying to get an interview, so look out for that.

Always interested in thoughts on all of the above, so email alex@thebmc.co.uk .

Cheers

Alex, BMC.

[DAVETHOMAS90]

 Thanks Alex.

"We've tweeted that, FB'ed it "

What's that?