[a dense loner]

Waiving your stick up for stanage sticker? You're as bad as the rest of us tomtom

[Sloper]

Tom, and yes, didn't the banker get vilified for cheating the system; it seems as if we're happy if 'our tribe' cheats, rather strange if you ask me (I won't mention lefty hypocrisy and a lack of morals).

I would say the difference is that the car parking charge at Stanage was/is voluntary, whereas the train ticket was not.

In what way is it voluntary?  Is it the bit about not getting caught?

[tomtom]

Waiving your stick up for stanage sticker? You're as bad as the rest of us tomtom

:D I admit that when I first read the thread title I thought it was referring to raising a middle finger to Stanage!

[galpinos]

In what way is it voluntary?  Is it the bit about not getting caught?

Nope, it's the bit about it it be a voluntary charge. Reading the parking meter implies that it is a compulsary charge but it wasn't/isn't*.

Train tickets have never been voluntary.

*I don't know the current state of play, I'm assuming it hasn't changed.

[Sloper]

No mention of the charge being voluntary here.  As far as I can recall the charge has never been a voluntary donation: the clue is in the name.

http://www.peakdistrict.gov.uk/visiting/parking

[a dense loner]

What has that list got to do with stanage?

[Sloper]

The bit that says it is pay & display

[Stubbs]

Which part of that page indicates the charge is compulsory?

[Sloper]

Which part of that page indicates the charge is compulsory?

Err the fact that it's a charge rather than a request for a donation.

The definition of a charge is, in the context, a demand for payment.

[Johnny Brown]

If your car was found in the car park without a ticket you did not receive a demand for payment; you got a leaflet saying 'whilst the charges are not compulsory, here are some good reasons why you should pay'.

[Sloper]

First I've heard of that, fair enough, having said that I do think it's rather hypocritical for people to avoid paying for things that they profess to care about and then slate others for avoiding paying for things they don't care about.

If the PDNP funding as cut 20% because of tax avoidance I'd hope the non payers would be the first to voice support for the cuts.

[jfdm]

Watched this with interest the last couple of days.
I know that the thread is about Stanage.

Am currently on holiday in the Lakes, today walked Langdale Pikes.
Car park was £5 at Dungeon Ghyll hotel.
The National Trust car park opposite £6.50 

Langdale boulders & the beautiful Brant Fell - free parking 

When I was growing up in Bolton, if Brownstones/Wilton charged for parking, would I have got into climbing. The answer is probably not.

[tomtom]

Lake District National Park use their parking fees to manage visitor numbers - so they bump up the langdale costs to try and nudge folk to other areas...

[T_B]

Here's some perspective for all those boulderers on here who I know like to dabble in a lil bit of Alpine...

http://www.hoernlihuette.ch/reservation_46.html

[jfdm]

Lake District National Park use their parking fees to manage visitor numbers - so they bump up the langdale costs to try and nudge folk to other areas...

Agreed, which will also happen with Stanage if they enforce charging.
The issue is overuse/erosion and controlling this.
Pricing people out of areas isn't the answer, it shouldn't happen in the countryside.
It's a slippery slope.

[Offwidth]

First I've heard of that, fair enough, having said that I do think it's rather hypocritical for people to avoid paying for things that they profess to care about and then slate others for avoiding paying for things they don't care about.

If the PDNP funding as cut 20% because of tax avoidance I'd hope the non payers would be the first to voice support for the cuts.

Even the deepest, darkest areas under the widest of Sheffield bridges crossed by climbers will have struggled to escape the knowledge of the past lack of compulsion on Stanage parking fees. Where on earth have you been and why are you so opinionated from such a position of clear ignorance? This land was donated for public use and parking charges do affect that access disproportionately for the poorer and more regular visitors. I'd add that recently the PDNP has hardly been a bastion of virtuous planning and spending. Hence perhaps the strong support for ringfencing voiced by climbers when discussing in the new possible parking arrangements. It was certainly not hypocrisy in my view to avoid paying for something non-compulsory that you think should be free or to avoid extra voluntary funding for an authority that was often working against its supposed public interest aims; especially so for those like Johnny who worked hard and gave up huge amounts of volunteer time to try to make said authority better meet its democratic remit, by representing the views of large numbers of Stanage land users who had real concerns through formal, democratic routes as a BMC access rep .

[lagerstarfish]

on a vaguely related issue - I drove past Burbage Bridge and Higgar on Monday (Easter bank holiday, plenty of sunshine) and the roads were littered with cars parked across white lines - reducing the road to a single lane.

The parking at Burbage Bridge is often full.

Are there any plans to organise it better (start charging)?

just wondering

[deacon]

So what's the verdict then. Do I buy a sticker or don't I?

[Jaspersharpe]

I thought the verdict was that you should buy a CAB t-shirt, but I may have missed something.

[tomtom]

I thought there was a special edition CAB knee less knee pad?

[deacon]

Ok, I'll buy the sticker, and stick it to a pink Anasazi. Sorted.

[dave]

Just buy a sticker, coz then all Slopers tax-dodging Tory donor cronies will have to start paying tax. They've only been avoiding it until now on principle that a few Sheffield climbers have been parking for free you see.

[deacon]

Aah, but I put my CAC tshirt through as tax-deductible workwear so  I'm in no position to make a moral judgment. Hence the request for advice.

[lagerstarfish]

I've bought a sticker, but I'm not going to display it or tell anyone that I've paid for one, just in case they might think I did it just to look good

gonna keep it in my smug drawer with my CAC t shirt