and no one got all Bocky about it
I look forward to the grovelling apology from Bock. More shameful, jealous nonsense - what is happening to climbing culture?
how fast the man nailed the problems makes you wonder if all his probs in the uk are FAR harder than he has said. what an effort.it is sad to read the response to his sends. he is right where he says that he has never tried to build a reputation for himself. if anything it appears that he tries his hardest to keep himself to himself.wait till he nails action direct, then he will be laughing.
I think that Markus is an homest guy as all frankenjura climbers are, strange that a top climber cannot distinguish a 7c problem from an 8b one? Also if You dont stick it flash You could have another go unless You are scared of failure, also I do not believe that You cant do the moves on a route one day and climb it the other day without working on it: Also strange to make a first ascent of a new 9a+ in uK without a belayer after having so much disscusion. Is it so hard to find someone? Or if You are not bothered about publicity why claim it at all. Frankenjura is hard, mayby it was too hard? :D
Quote from: "kroolis"I think that Markus is an homest guy as all frankenjura climbers are, strange that a top climber cannot distinguish a 7c problem from an 8b one? Also if You dont stick it flash You could have another go unless You are scared of failure, also I do not believe that You cant do the moves on a route one day and climb it the other day without working on it: Also strange to make a first ascent of a new 9a+ in uK without a belayer after having so much disscusion. Is it so hard to find someone? Or if You are not bothered about publicity why claim it at all. Frankenjura is hard, mayby it was too hard? :DI'm listening to you, but all i can hear is "mwar mwar mwar mwar sour grapes sour grapes sour grapes boo hoo hoo". :cry: :crying: :nopity:
Poor You, c'mon admit that recent Gaskins climbs are strange, no belayers etc, british ethic???
I think that Markus is an homest guy as all frankenjura climbers are, strange that a top climber cannot distinguish a 7c problem from an 8b one?
Also if You dont stick it flash You could have another go unless You are scared of failure,
also I do not believe that You cant do the moves on a route one day and climb it the other day
Also strange to make a first ascent of a new 9a+ in uK without a belayer after having so much disscusion. Is it so hard to find someone?
Or if You are not bothered about publicity why claim it at all. Frankenjura is hard, mayby it was too hard? :D
Quote from: "kroolis"Poor You, c'mon admit that recent Gaskins climbs are strange, no belayers etc, british ethic??? as far as i know, he's only done that once. if you can let us know of any other "recent Gaskins climbs" that are strange. sounds to me like a throwaway comment that you can't back up.
Do you know what the problem's like and how he actually belayed himself? It's not that strange.
Quote from: "kroolis"I think that Markus is an homest guy as all frankenjura climbers are, strange that a top climber cannot distinguish a 7c problem from an 8b one? He didn't climb the 7c problem though.Yeah now it turns out that it was something in the middle, well thats a new 8b then or not becouse if not then he still cannot see the diffrence between 8b font and something easierQuote from: "kroolis"Also if You dont stick it flash You could have another go unless You are scared of failure, Or you didn't think it was worth working, you wanted to do other things, etc... there is always such possibility but it was 8a font after all if he was so good on it it wouldnt take muchQuote from: "kroolis"also I do not believe that You cant do the moves on a route one day and climb it the other day Even after you've been climbing for 8 hours or so? it wasnt that he was tired, he just couldnt reach it, Quote from: "kroolis"Also strange to make a first ascent of a new 9a+ in uK without a belayer after having so much disscusion. Is it so hard to find someone? Do you know what the problem's like and how he actually belayed himself? It's not that strange. I repeat is it hard to find someone to belay after so much fuss in Franken, after all he is claiming the real top difficulty.Quote from: "kroolis"Or if You are not bothered about publicity why claim it at all. Frankenjura is hard, mayby it was too hard? :DHe didn't send the details in. You are right but then how did everyone know? it doesnt matter if You send the details or not You claim it and thats it.Seems to me you've been reading too many Forums and not enough facts/information. :roll:
What I mean is recent Frankenjura issiue, which should have made him a it considerate when claiming 9a+ done alone with strange belay technique that seems unnecessary unless ......blah blah blah
Quote from: "kroolis"What I mean is recent Frankenjura issiue, which should have made him a it considerate when claiming 9a+ done alone with strange belay technique that seems unnecessary unless ......blah blah blahnow i understand what those words mean, but that sentence makes no sense.as far as i can tell, he tied the rope off to the first bolt as presumable he had no-one to belay hime that day and was obviosuly keen to get it done. its hardly surprising belayers aren't forthcoming, since he must have used a fair few on the raven tor project. Kroolis is jus trying to make an issues out of nothing, presumable as a half-assed dig back at him for some reason. unfortunatley it doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny or indeed make any sense.
Seems to me that You want Your hero and it doesnt matter at what cost, british vs rest of the world hurray
i still wanna know what this means:QuoteWhat I mean is recent Frankenjura issiue, which should have made him a it considerate when claiming 9a+ done alone with strange belay technique that seems unnecessary unless ......blah blah blah
Quote from: "kroolis"Seems to me that You want Your hero and it doesnt matter at what cost, british vs rest of the world hurrayI'm very sorry for poking big holes in all your points. I'm not bothered about a hero, or British verus World, etc.. I was just trying to point out the truths, but if you want to ignore these and just pretend it's personal then fair enough, but it doesn't exactly make for a good debate. Are you going to say anything new, if not you might as well just post a link to a forum that's already got this shit on it.
That means if You claim the hardest route in UK You have to be absolutely honest and I do not see why not have a belayer, thats the first time I hear about this way,