[Dolly]

any good ?
should I buy it ?

[Pantontino]

Yes, a modern 'concept' album if you like. I rate it.

However, you might be better spending yer pennies on A Ghost is Born by Wilco.
This is easily the best album I have heard in the last 5 years. Melancholic Alt country ballads mixed with breathtaking Neil Young meets Husker Du bursts of violent but utterly soulful guitar noise. I haven't stopped playing it.

It was produced by Jim O'Rourke who is also a total hero (check out Insignificance).

[Jim]

it good but the first album is much better

[a dense loner]

i rate the first album, but can't even listen to the new one it's so crass :cry:
will check out that wilco one tho

[Jim]

I've just got it dense, will be listening in the car in a bit

[dobbin]

Thought it took a while to become acustomed, but on getting acquainted it is a good album, as for whether I will be listening to it again in 2 years I dunno.

Some pearlers - dry your eyes and the Blinded by the lights are ace 'telling it how it is' drug pop. Buy it, its well worth £13.

[erm, sam]

The 2nd album is totally awesome. It took me  a few go's like, at first it just sounded unlistenable. It is so spot on, its unbelivable.
I don't understand how it is crass? What are its key crasssness points?
Having said that, having listened to it everyday for several weeks I am having a little rest from it...

[fatboySlimfast]

I don't understand how it is crass?

hes from the north, what do you expect.... :wink:

[Stubbs]

I'm sorry, i really can't stand him, I've tried, I really have.

[dave]

i can't stand him, and i haven't tried, and i don't want to try.

[Stubbs]

I wanted to give him a chance cos loads of people whose taste i usually respect were into him, but he just sounds like a scally spoiling some occasionally good production. Only one thing for it  

[Bubba]

I hated it when I first heard it but it's really grown on me. Although it's not the sort of thing I can listen to often because it's quite intense, I think there's some great depictions of incidents and emotions that many of us can identify with.

[a dense loner]

n on that point, i think that too many people read too much into music. as liam gallagher said i just write lyrics that rhyme or go with the mood. anybody who tells you theres deep meanin behind what they've sung is a liar. altho morrisey said the opposite, now there is a fruitcake.

agree that he just sounds like a scally on the new streets album

[SA Chris]

I just cant get round the fact that on the chorus of "Dry your eyes" the bloke sounds like a folk singer; Roger Whittaker or Peter Sarstedt or something. Almost wait for the Irish fiddle music to kick in.

[Bubba]

i think that too many people read too much into music.

Depends whether your listening to something like Kylie or something like Pink Floyd really.

as liam gallagher said i just write lyrics that rhyme or go with the mood. anybody who tells you theres deep meanin behind what they've sung is a liar.

Which says it all about Oasis really. Overrated, uninspired, and just seem to be going through the motions to cash in on being rock stars.

[Bubba]

Peter Sarstedt

The Streets could do a remix of Where do you go to my lovely with Pete - can you imagine  :shock:

[dave]

Oasis - once were good, but now they're sheeeeeeeeyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttteeee. One-trick ponies. and liam is a twat who you just wanna slap round the face with a trolley jack.

I agree with dense - if i wanted deep meaning i'd be reading War And Peace. music should be about music. you see loads of bands go shit when they get up their own arses with all the deep meening etc. keep it real i say. Take a leaf from someone like my man Johann Sebastian Bach - he kept it about the music, and knocked out hit after hit of blinging instrumental flava - word. He knew how to handle an organ.

[Bubba]

Yeah, but you can say the same about books - Mills & Boon or Zen and the art of bike fixing? It's all good.

Anyway Dave, you've got a load of lyrical stuff on your hard drive....

[dave]

aye, but i don't think you could call any of at deep and meaningful! not unless you've got a philosophical take on dre or N-Trance.

[Bubba]

I'd say a lot of Dre is meaningful - it might not be art-school "deepness" but it's certainly got a message.

Can't really say the same about N-Trance though  

[dave]

but it's certainly got a message:

when in doubt, bust a cap.

[a dense loner]

Which says it all about Oasis really. Overrated, uninspired

have you lost your mind blubbs? agreed that they're not the band they was, but we were all stronger n fitter when we were younger etc.

Depends whether your listening to something like Kylie or something like Pink Floyd really

now i rate pink floyd as one of the best groups of all time but i don't think they write their music from the heart in one take. if you listened to the words without the music it would probably sound shocking. it's the music that gives it feel, they could possibly sing about guys with chainsaws runnin round the house. these aren't deep n meaningful words they just sound like it when pieced with the amazing music.
ps. i watched a pink floyd tribute band at uni n they were amazin

[Bubba]

Look - a message about how Gs can be softies too!

I spoke to your son, the other day, and told him Uncle Dre got him
The Lord must be accidentally pulling your file
Cause I'm still paging you, 911, straight in denial
Prayin you get it, but no man can choose the card he was dealt
You either quit, or you gon' play it like you get it
I done been through all emotions, from in shock, to keepin a poker face
To straight breakin down and showin all emotions
I'm anxious to believe in real G's don't cry
If that's the truth, then I'm realizin I ain't no gangsta
It's just not me, but you know I'ma always ride wit you
I miss you, sometimes I wish I just died wit you

[Bubba]

have you lost your mind blubbs? agreed that they're not the band they was, but we were all stronger n fitter when we were younger etc.

Nah, Oasis were always shite.

if you listened to the words without the music it would probably sound shocking. it's the music that gives it feel

I disagree entirely - some PF lyrics are awesome - surely you don't listen to their stuff and not take any notice of the lyrics?

[SA Chris]

have you lost your mind blubbs? agreed that they're not the band they was, but we were all stronger n fitter when we were younger etc.

Thats the point Dave made. They made some good stuff, then got sucked in by their own hype and produced some shit, which people bought on the strength of the good stuff. You can't just go on listening to a bands new stuff because they were good once. If you want more Oasis, buy the Masterplan, not their new stuff

[dave]

Look - a message about how Gs can be softies too!

I spoke to your son, the other day, and told him Uncle Dre got him
The Lord must be accidentally pulling your file
Cause I'm still paging you, 911, straight in denial
Prayin you get it, but no man can choose the card he was dealt
You either quit, or you gon' play it like you get it
I done been through all emotions, from in shock, to keepin a poker face
To straight breakin down and showin all emotions
I'm anxious to believe in real G's don't cry
If that's the truth, then I'm realizin I ain't no gangsta
It's just not me, but you know I'ma always ride wit you
I miss you, sometimes I wish I just died wit you

but on the same album he also says:

Bitch nigga, a bitch nigga
Bitch nigga, HELLA bitch nigga
Youse a bitch nigga, motherfucker bitch nigga
A bitch nigga.. a bitch nigga

[Bonjoy]

Would have to go with Bubba on this one. Would rather listen to the sound of someone drilling a hole in my head than Oasis. And PF lyrics are very deep and portentious say I.

[Bubba]

Bitch nigga, a bitch nigga
Bitch nigga, HELLA bitch nigga
Youse a bitch nigga, motherfucker bitch nigga
A bitch nigga.. a bitch nigga

But what do you think he's really trying to say there? I think there is deep meaning underlying his anger. I suspect he may have issues with Bitch Nigga's

[dave]

I liked freddie mercury's take on this kinda thing. He viewed his music as disposable, just a bit of entertainment - he said stuff like "its just tomorrows fish & chip paper darling" or sometihng like that. and as a result wrote some of the most enduring pop/rock music of all time. I bet if he'd have taking it all right seriously like all the bloody miserable tortured genuises that churn out album after album of suicide music these days then all queen stuff from the 70s would have been shit.  of course you can read meaning into loads of the lyrics etc but i think in their case the lyrics were an means to an end, to produce dope tracks. : word.

[Johnny Brown]

how can you have any pudding when you haven't finished your meat?

[Bubba]

He viewed his music as disposable

Well, he wasn't wrong there  

[a dense loner]

when i said they're not the band they was, i actually agree that they're now shite. however, the first few albums were genius.
am not sayin floyd don't come out with deep lyrics, am sayin that people who say they write deep lyrics n meanin from the heart all the time r talkin out of their arse n anyone who thinks somebody does this is a gullible fool.

[Bubba]

I fail to see any genius associated with any of Oasis' stuff, but that's just me. Completely overrated imho.

So do you think all songs with meaningful lyrics just happened by accident or via a cynical desire to pose as such, rather than actually being from the heart?

[fatboySlimfast]

Never had you down as a queen fan Dave :shock:

wat got me was how people were 'shcoked' whenit was revealed that he was gay and had died of aids, my sister actually said 'well you wouldnt know would you'


yep , no hint of gayness there, not at all, no sir eee

[Bubba]

[dave]

i don't know what you mean  :roll:

[a dense loner]

blubbs you have just implied that queen were shit. when in fact one of the most influential groups n talented songwriters/performers of all time. next you will be tellin me that the moon is made of green cheese, cos i personnally have no proof of it not being. there's nowt as queer as folk.

the silent reproach of a million distant eyes

[a dense loner]

apparently scouse's chat up was "how big's your cock", n i don't think he was talkin to the farmer

[dave]

Never had you down as a queen fan Dave :shock:

i was brought up on queen you see. my dad listened to queen on vinyl, and most of me uncles. during the school holidays when me mum was working i'd be at my grandmas in the day time and she's had an early VCR, on of those top-loading ferguson videostars, with the remote on a wire. just about the only video they had in the house (exlucing scotch recorded videos housed in those plastic cases that looked like antique books) was my uncle john's video version of queen's greatest hits, so i would watch that all day while me grandma did her knitting. When i got my first walkman (it was so big it had a shoulder strap and took a car battery) my uncle david did my a tape copy of queen's greatest hits - it was on a black Dixon's cassete and he'd put Radio Ga GA on the end anall cos that was new out. Also i'm pretty sure that one of the first CDs i ever owned was queens greatest hits. How could i not like queen? :

[Bubba]

blubbs you have just implied that queen were shit. when in fact one of the most influential groups n talented songwriters/performers of all time.

Actually, I used to really like Queen, but that was before I discovered decent music  

Were they really that influential?

Talented songwriters?

I give you:

Bicycle bicycle bicycle
I want to ride my bicycle bicycle bicycle
I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride my bike
I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride it where I like

You say black I say white
You say bark I say bite
You say shark I say hey man
Jaws was never my scene
And I don't like Star Wars
You say Rolls I say Royce
You say God give me a choice
You say Lord I say Christ
I don't believe in Peter Pan
Frankenstein or Superman
All I wanna do is

Bicycle bicycle bicycle

Hmmmm.....

[dave]

again bubba, you've just proved the lyrics are secondary to a good tune. they could have sung "wank wank wank" to that tune and it'd still have been a hit.

[a dense loner]

i'll give you that one  

fatbottomed girls are comin your way

[SA Chris]

Chillingly, the sountrack to Flash Gordon was the first Album I ever bought. But then I thought both the film and the band were great (I was 11). Slightly more credibly, the first record I ever bought was Rapture, by Blondie.

[Bubba]

again bubba, you've just proved the lyrics are secondary to a good tune. they could have sung "wank wank wank" to that tune and it'd still have been a hit.

All that proves is that the undemanding pop-buying public will buy any old shite.

[a dense loner]

i still watch flash whenever it's on. be one hell of a planet you men come from

[dave]

GORDON'S ALIVE!

[SA Chris]

"Death to MING!!!"

"Send the war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!"

"Flash, I love you, but we only have 48 hours to save the Planet"

Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong Bong

[dave]

isn't it 14 hours to save the earth?

[a dense loner]

dave's right, i think you were just gettin caught up in the moment chris :wink:

[fatboySlimfast]

And who could forget the soft pr0n version

[SA Chris]

dave's right, i think you were just gettin caught up in the moment chris :wink:

Probably right. Age, senility and nostalgia.

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be anyway.

[Big Frank]

And who could forget the soft pr0n version

Dr.Flexi jerkoff and the Penisaurus, pure class!

[erm, sam]

To get the thread back on track:
I am just listening to The Streets new album again and I feel compelled to remind everybody about how fucking ace it is.
Going back to the "words that mean things in songs are stupid" debate. If you get beyond the stipped down music of A Grand Don't Come For Free and listen to the words it can be seen that they add greatly to the appeal of the tunes. "you don't care about my broken tv, I sit all day on the sofa smoking weed" just can't be faulted. AAAAAALlright

[SamT]

Word G.

[Dolly]

Right - finally got round to hearing a few tracks  - sounds to me like a cross between Madness and Ian Dury ??
Didn't seem to have any of the musicality of the first one

Discuss ??

[erm, sam]

Its got musicallity, just different musicallity to the last one.

[a dense loner]

very true