Vein is worse... Doesn't spasm shut. Trust me on this... I SOOO felt this in an exceptional personal way.. Thank you Charlie ( not on here)... He did the same awesome job of CGs mate.. Yep, Any small off can do this.. If u haven't done a a basic 1st aid course... Even if u have to pay for it yourself,.. frankly. Whats your fucking excuse?? ( no apology for swearing)... I think im armed to have such a view.. I carry compression bandages and foil blankets to even BMX and 4x venues. CG would have defo died if his mate hadnt got his fingers then knee in there... Could and would u do the same? In 3 nights time over Blakka / torridon etc...