Quote from: a dense loner on September 17, 2012, 01:15:12 pmI have no idea what planet u lot are on? Of course he was given the best drugs he was the best rider, why wud u give someone comin in 47th place the best stuff?There is no such thing as a level playing field ever!This starts when little johnny shows a bit more potential for football than someone else, when little daisy wins a beauty pageant for standing upright. It's all driven by ego, yours or someone else'sBobbins dense. You're being dense. Lance is famous for being shit before his post cancer comeback. He even admits it in his book.There's no possible reason to assume that the best rider would get the best dope. In fact, the motivation is less for that rider, innit?Let's take another. Hmm, first doper I can think of... I know, Ben Johnson. So, clearly, when on drugs he was the best. 1987, 1988, two world records on dope. Boy was like a rocket when on roids. In 84, when not on roids or on shitter ones he came 3rd. His PB around then was the canadian record at 10.12 - clearly way behind Lewis even in 81. So wikipedia tells me.So Ben Johnson was on the best shit in 87, and 88 - but prior to that wasn't the best. Or wasn't on dope. But either way, you can't say he was the best.None of that proves that, if you lined up all the sprinters, Johnson wouldn't be the best, if there weren't any on dope. But the converse isn't necessarily true either.All you can say is that Lance was the best cheater.
I have no idea what planet u lot are on? Of course he was given the best drugs he was the best rider, why wud u give someone comin in 47th place the best stuff?There is no such thing as a level playing field ever!This starts when little johnny shows a bit more potential for football than someone else, when little daisy wins a beauty pageant for standing upright. It's all driven by ego, yours or someone else's
Our cod arrives – plus Millar’s side order of chips and a second bottle of wine – as he tells me about the effects of EPO, taken for a few weeks before competitions, far enough in advance that it isn’t detectable during races. In short, the drugs do work – they can “turn a donkey into a racehorse”, as one of his teammates put it – but they also killed any sense of satisfaction.
Funny how people still want to call Armstrong the greatest athelete, yet I suspect would not call rich simpson the greatest climber? I bet Lance can throw a bike pretty hard.
I see there's money in providing juicers a short cut to getting biceps that take the attention away from their beer gut, but I'm not sure the requirements of this relatively small group compares to the medical requirements of the whole world. I guess the other point is as this is illegal I assume you get your little ampoules in a little brown bag and don't have much idea of what you're getting - hardly pushing research forward.As an aside I wonder what like roid use is like these days now that less people think it would be cool to look like Arnold. I know Mark S pops up every time this is mentioned, but the idea I get is that usage is less?
Dense, Stubbs is totally right.The development cost, to a pharma company, of a drug is in the billions. In fact, the average is given as either 1.3 billion dollars, or as 4 billion dollars.Economics dictates that it would be daft to spend that amount on a drug specifically for body builders and athletes. It would be far too expensive for all concerned.
Though Viagra started as a cardiovascular drug until the interesting side effects were discovered in trial.. And kerching.. (I'm being devils advocate a little.. Sorry)
Thats the costs of developing a legal drug not one that can be knocked off on the black market without undergoing rigorous efficacy and safety testing, so if you accidentally discover a drug that has some desirable side-effects for a niche market but know that there isn't any profit to be made going through the legalaise you could cynically suggest that its made and sold illicitly for profit without the research costs.
So anyone here ever climbed on Viagra?
Quote from: tomtom on September 18, 2012, 04:31:05 pmSo anyone here ever climbed on Viagra? Yes, it sucks, I can't stay close to the rock.
Tbh I've never seen a paper written on how to make heroin, crack or coke.