so esentially people think its 9a because Ondra says it could be as he couldnt do it?didnt ben make a song and dance years ago that hubble was 8c+ and so was action direct and that other routes were being overgraded?
so esentially people think its 9a because Ondra says it could be as he couldnt do it?
There are not many people more qualified to give route grades at that level than young Master Ondra ... so if he says 9a I would suggest most people would agree ...
I've not done Hubble but I've also not done Action Directe and comparing the two I'd say there isn't much between them so 9a for both.
What did Rich think about the relative difficulty, as the only person to have climbed both?
(theres also a 8b in his can't do list btw..).
There are of course many other routes, even in the lower grades, which I've failed to climb, but those I've talked about are the ones that, for one reason or other, have frustrated me most. And of course I've failed on many more boulder problems, since in bouldering it's easier to come across certain one-movers that don't suit my style, or perhaps the line doesn't inspire me enough to keep trying. But one day I might be back!
Apparently, Carlisle Slapper did some of the moves once, apparently. But this could be internet rumour and intrigue. Perhaps the whinnying and stamping of hooves that usually accompanies his appearance on the internet will confirm or deny (along with some random statements which noone understands).
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Hubble&word2=Action+DirectHarsh!
Is there a world class brewery in Tideswell? No. qed.
Hubble is such an odd route (basically an 8B/+ boulder problem with a 7c on top of it) which couldn't be more different from the majority of routes in the 8c+/9a category nowadays.
Odd you should say that, the Thornbridge brewery is only 9 miles from Raven Tor and is respected as one of the UK's best and most innovative breweries. I'd personally put Bracia, St Petersburg, and Jaipur IPA up against the best of Bavaria e.g. Schneider's Aventinus and Hopfenweisse, Weihenstefaner's Hefeweisse, Paulaner Salvator etc
Quote from: Jaspersharpe on January 13, 2012, 01:57:28 pm Hubble is such an odd route (basically an 8B/+ boulder problem with a 7c on top of it) which couldn't be more different from the majority of routes in the 8c+/9a category nowadays.i ignore most of the ascents nowadays because 8c seems meaninglessly hard let alone 9b+ but I remember one of the routes adam did at 9b this year had an 8a route to an 8b bloc then a 9a on top. how does this differ
except you don't climb a 9a after hubble and you have slogged up an 8a (or if you're ted kingsnorth on low right press got nicely warmed up) for the physical crux?
the first 8c+ could actually have been 9a
Quote from: Muenchener on January 13, 2012, 02:27:10 pmIs there a world class brewery in Tideswell? No. qed.Odd you should say that, the Thornbridge brewery is only 9 miles from Raven Tor and is respected as one of the UK's best and most innovative breweries. I'd personally put Bracia, St Petersburg, and Jaipur IPA up against the best of Bavaria e.g. Schneider's Aventinus and Hopfenweisse, Weihenstefaner's Hefeweisse, Paulaner Salvator etc
as previously said, if anyone in the world has a right to give a grade to a route ondra has climbed more hard routes than ive had hot dinners so there's a chance he could be right.. either that or my pet camel gave birth to an echidna last night there for your favourite pet goose lays a golden egg making it 8^+e..
The ramifications of these old skool routes being upgraded are pretty significant. Liquid Ambar's going in the next guide as 8c+ making it the first of the grade in the world and now Hubble's effectively being called the world's first 9a. Moony always said it was as hard as Action back in the day and that they were both hard 8c+ (he got close to Action quickly but was thrawted by injury i believe). There's not many other sports where 20 year old history can change like that!
When did LA get up graded and why. Everytime I look it seams that routes are upgraded. The oak 8b. Cry freedom and bat route 8c. Evolution and progress 8c+. And now Hubble.Should be all left alone.Grades always differed from countryto country. County to county. Makes it interesting.