Cornice all dry still.
The more pressing issue is that people shouldn't be leaving clips in routes anywhere, especially not a very public crag with sensitive access like the cornice.
Quote from: dave on July 07, 2011, 11:16:18 amThe more pressing issue is that people shouldn't be leaving clips in routes anywhere, especially not a very public crag with sensitive access like the cornice.I assume this is a joke?
The more pressing issue is that people shouldn't be leaving clips in routes anywhere,
especially not a very public crag with sensitive access like the cornice.
http://www.thebmc.co.uk/News.aspx?id=4275 Chee Dale Access IssuesThis news article explains new ways of approaching the Dale, reminds everyone of the access and bolting agreements the BMC has negotiated with Derbyshire Wildlife Trust who own most of it........a very important point to note is that there is no public access within the Dale away from the public right of way, and as climbers we have unique negotiated concessions.Bolting and other climbing guidelinesBolted routes were in the main established before the Wildlife Trust acquired the site. They would very much prefer there to be no bolts or lower offs at all, but have conceded that where sport routes are established they may remain, though any replacement of fixed gear can only be on a like for like basis and should not be glaringly obvious. Routes should always be left clean of quick draws or tat.There is an absolute embargo on bolting new routes and on retro bolting. It is really important that everyone observes this. If you came across anyone infringing this agreement please point out it could easily cost all concessionary access for everyone. The Wildlife Trust is absolutely clear this is no idle threat.By Henry Folkard (BMC Peak Access Co-ordinator)
Anyway, this is all a bit
If you say people shouldn't be leaving draws in anywhere you'll get ignored/questioned because it's a stupid thing to say.
Depends on the crag obviously
They've also got shitloads of amazing unclimbed crags there so it really doesn't matter too much if a crag or part of a crag is banned. The complete opposite is true here.Arguing against this point of view is arguing in favour of risking access to the crags you want to climb on for the sake of laziness. Or in other words, rank stupidity of the highest order.
Quote from: Doylo on July 08, 2011, 01:04:05 amDepends on the crag obviouslyI agree with you completely there. I can see that Cheedale is not a place to leave draws hanging about. However, i cannot see that anyone would have a problem with fixed draws on North Buttress at Kilnsey, or example. (notwithstanding leaving them there over winter, but that's a seperate issue). I'd strongly argue that most non climbers would not notice fixed draws / tat anyway unless it was pretty low down. If there are associated access concerns, those should take precedence, but let's not get all excited and jump up and down about something which is probably a minor issue compared to litter, path useage, parking etc.
If there are associated access concerns, those should take precedence, but let's not get all excited and jump up and down about something which is probably a minor issue compared to litter, path useage, parking etc
Also, with the proliferation of clip-sticks (they were never around when I was a yoof it was a stick and some finger tape..) its not that much of a chore to re-hang/equip a line is it?
The very fact that someone thought leaving draws in on the Cornice would be OK proves that it's increasingly going to be an issue.
Personally I'd never leave a draw in, mainly because I'm tight fisted and paranoid , so I'd fully expect someone to come along and claim their crag booty Also, with the proliferation of clip-sticks (they were never around when I was a yoof it was a stick and some finger tape..) its not that much of a chore to re-hang/equip a line is it? It is a bit lazy to leave them hanging there..