[Adam Lincoln]

I posted this on the other channel also, but here it is for those that don't frequent it.

The guy that lives next to the cove centre in Malham village spoke to us the other day. He voiced his concerns over people STILL, after numerous warnings already, urinating in the Cove centre car park. (This includes one women as well!) Do people not have any respect? His wife has been subject to this on various occasions as the house overlooks the car park.

If people want to get climbing at Malham banned, then this is the right way to start going about it. He has influence on the parish, which in turn effects the allowed climbing at Malham.

Now not everyone reads the internet forums, but if you could all spread the word.

Thanks.

[namnok]

perhaps someone should stick a sign up at the carpark entrance? a polite notice etc

[Adam Lincoln]

perhaps someone should stick a sign up at the carpark entrance? a polite notice etc

It should go without saying really....

[namnok]

perhaps someone should stick a sign up at the carpark entrance? a polite notice etc

It should go without saying really....

yes but obviously people are still doing it cos they dont know how bad the situtaion may get

[slackline]

Are there toilets that are a) nearby; b) open at the time when people are likely to wake up and need that morning release?

[Marky]

Are there toilets that are a) nearby; b) open at the time when people are likely to wake up and need that morning release?

Yes and yes - 2 minute walk down the road!

[Teaboy]

The toilets are no more than 150 meters from the car park, I've never known them to be shut but I never get there before midday. There are also some other toilets at the other end of the village. There really is no excuse or mitigation however you look at it. There's no sign telling me not to have a piss in the fruit and veg aisle at Tesco, there shouldn't need to be one here.

[slackline]

Interesting, only been to Malham once and did indeed stop in the car-park, but don't recall any signs pointing to those toilets (personally I crossed my legs until up on the wings of the crag)

The twats who crashed into the P&D machine late that night probably caused more of a disturbance than anyone dossing there "Oh no Martin, what have you done"  ).

[SteG]

There really is no excuse or mitigation however you look at it. There's no sign telling me not to have a piss in the fruit and veg aisle at Tesco, there shouldn't need to be one here.

spot on

 

[slackline]

The toilets are no more than 150 meters from the car park, I've never known them to be shut but I never get there before midday. There are also some other toilets at the other end of the village. There really is no excuse or mitigation however you look at it. There's no sign telling me not to have a piss in the fruit and veg aisle at Tesco, there shouldn't need to be one here.

  but why are you shopping in Tescos?

(And most supermarkets do have their toilets sign-posted so that people know where they are)

[Paul B]

There really is no excuse or mitigation however you look at it. There's no sign telling me not to have a piss in the fruit and veg aisle at Tesco, there shouldn't need to be one here.

spot on

I popped over to Chee Tor the other night and someone had left a load of used paper in one of the foliage clearings specifically cleared for the start of a route! Now, as its clearly a climber on that side of the river I thought this was pretty poor to leave that kind of mess especially directly underneath a route! Plus I'm confident it was a lady (use your imagination).

[chummer]

Plus I'm confident it was a lady (use your imagination)./quote]

Pink toilet paper?

[chummer]

yer I know, what a dick........I nearly puntered myself for that one

[TobyD]

Nice one Adam, or posting this (i posted something similar a couple of weeks ago as well).

perhaps someone should stick a sign up at the carpark entrance? a polite notice etc

i disagree, it is not an official car park anyway. I have had friendly conversations with this farmer in the past, and he seemed happy about the situation - it is a shame that some people fail to realise that it is not cool to piss in someone's back yard. I recall some people dossing in this car park as well; this should also be (very obviously) stopped if anyone still thinks this might be a good idea - vans or no vans.

[kingholmesy]

Is it OK to park here so long as you behave yourself?

If not, where is the best/nearest (free) place to park?

[SteG]

If not, where is the best/nearest (free) place to park?

you can park along the road opposite the pub if you arrive early enough, or further out of the village along the road for later arrivals. It gets busy with walkers too though so gets full quite early and you're left with the pay and display.

[wolfgang]

Whenever iv done it iv made sure i did it right against my own car. They cant get you that way.

[clgladiator]

Whenever iv done it iv made sure i did it right against my own car. They cant get you that way.

puntered

[robertostallioni]

Whenever iv done it iv made sure i did it right against my own car. They cant get you that way.

get you for what?

[nik at work]

Whenever iv done it iv made sure i did it right against my own car. They cant get you that way.

Is this some kind of joke that I don't get or are you an idiot?
The point isn't that you can or can't have a piss on your car tyre (although I imagine that's some stupid urban myth anyway) but rather about showing respect to other people and the general publics perception of climbers. I can't imagine that the residents of Malham, or indeed anywhere else, want to welcome with open arms a group of people that merrily piss and shit everywhere without showing the slightest concern for other people.
 "Please go to the toilet before coming to Malham rather than pissing outside my house" is hardly the most demanding of conditions of access is it?
If I have misunderstood the humour of your post then I alopogise, but if not then it's one of the most ignorant and stupid things I've read on here for a while.

[Three Nine]

I have pissed there before, but then I got a bollocking from Shark so I haven't done since. Whether or not you think a sign ought to be necessary, it clearly is. Its all very well being sanctimonious on here, but the fact is a lot of climbers tend to piss and shit in all sorts of inappropriate places. This may be very reprehensible, but if there is a specific problem here a sign and/or bollockings might be the way?

[joeisidle]

Completely agree with Three Nine; it doesn't matter whether or not it's right that a sign might be required, the important thing is that it clearly is required

[Teaboy]

The problem is that the residents of Malham don't particularly like climbers and so we are tolerated as long as we keep as low a profile as possible. Putting up a sign would be tangible evidence that, as a group, we would rather piss on your doorstep, than walk 150 meters to a public convenience. Similarly, the car park is not a climbers car park and putting up signs directed at climbers would suggest we climbers feel a certain entitlement to it that might get up the local residents' noses.

[slackline]

The problem is that the residents of Malham don't particularly like climbers and so we are tolerated as long as we keep as low a profile as possible. Putting up a sign would be tangible evidence that, as a group, we would rather piss on your doorstep, than walk 150 meters to a public convenience. Similarly, the car park is not a climbers car park and putting up signs directed at climbers would suggest we climbers feel a certain entitlement to it that might get up the local residents' noses.

Why? Is the sign going to read...

Climbers must not piss in this car park

Perhaps a sign along the lines of

Toilets are located for your convenience at 2 minutes down the road*

* Sorry don't actually know where this is.

[Teaboy]

OK, slack-line you know best. Next time you're there put a sign up if you think it'll help, I was only giving my opinion.

[nik at work]

I agree with Teaboy, a sign should not be needed. Seriously you think it's OK to piss outside someones house? Really? Come on, this isn't anything tricky to understand, just a bit of standard courtesy.
If you think that a sign will change anything then perhaps you should visit Kilnsey on a weekend and see how effective the signs regarding parking are there.
Also:

but the fact is a lot of climbers tend to piss and shit in all sorts of inappropriate places.

Is NOT the fact, the fact is a lot of selfish ignorant thoughtless people tend to piss and shit in all sorts of inappropriate places. If you were one of those people before Shark bollocked you but are now a changed man then maybe bollocking by friends is the way to go, it certainly can't be any less effective than putting a sign up.

Oh and there's nothing sanctimonious about expecting people to be able to achieve just a basic level of behaviour in a public place without the need for signs.

[Adam Lincoln]

The problem is that the residents of Malham don't particularly like climbers and so we are tolerated as long as we keep as low a profile as possible. Putting up a sign would be tangible evidence that, as a group, we would rather piss on your doorstep, than walk 150 meters to a public convenience. Similarly, the car park is not a climbers car park and putting up signs directed at climbers would suggest we climbers feel a certain entitlement to it that might get up the local residents' noses.

Why? Is the sign going to read...

Climbers must not piss in this car park

Perhaps a sign along the lines of

Toilets are located for your convenience at 2 minutes down the road*

* Sorry don't actually know where this is.

 

[slackline]

OK, slack-line you know best. Next time you're there put a sign up if you think it'll help, I was only giving my opinion.

 

I don't see how a sign indicating where toilets are can be either implicitly or explicitly targeting climbers.  Its just a sign....saying where toilets are. 

[tomtom]

It'd be preddy cool if the sign had a hyperlink in it like above

[GCW]

Is NOT the fact, the fact is a lot of selfish ignorant thoughtless people tend to piss and shit in all sorts of inappropriate places.

This is very true.  Some arse had taken a shit under Vitruvian Man at Trowbarrow, I can't see this being a climber.  It's just the state of the Nation.  Back in my day etc etc

On a serious note, this kind of behaviour seems to be becoming more acceptable to a (growing?) minority.  I'm not sure what can be done about what is effectively a social norm for a certain bunch of individuals. 

[SA Chris]

Compulsory toilet / potty training at A Level?

[GCW]

Good idea, but it's not going to do anything for the unsociable bastards that have already left school.

[SA Chris]

Shock collars for them then. Activate any time they give the involuntary shudder outside a public convenience.

[Adam Lincoln]

OK, slack-line you know best. Next time you're there put a sign up if you think it'll help, I was only giving my opinion.

 

I don't see how a sign indicating where toilets are can be either implicitly or explicitly targeting climbers.  Its just a sign....saying where toilets are. 

No one is saying it would. I am saying that a sign shouldn't be needed to tell people not to piss in this guys bushes. If you can't see that, fair enough. I am done going round in circles here. It is just wrong. That is all that needs to be said. Thank you, and goodnight.

[Falling Down]

The last thing the world needs, never mind Malham is another sign.   

[slackline]

No one is saying it would. I am saying that a sign shouldn't be needed to tell people not to piss in this guys bushes. If you can't see that, fair enough. I am done going round in circles here. It is just wrong. That is all that needs to be said. Thank you, and goodnight.

I find signs to toilets useful when I don't know an area.  Not everyone who goes automatically knows where they are. 

Sleep well.

[SA Chris]

The last thing the world needs, never mind Malham is another sign.   

Yeah, it's a bit of a piss-take.

(Sorry, I tried to resist, but couldn't)

[slackline]

Out of curiosity where do regular denizens of Malham head to when they're caught short during the day?

Are there similar issues (despite it not being viewable from someone's back door) with micturition and defecation at the crag itself?

[robertostallioni]

Are there similar issues  with micturition and defecation at the crag itself?

No, but there's piss and shit everywhere. (joke)
I once got caught short at the crag, walked back to the village(NT carpark toilets) for a turkish, and, wanting to avoid that rigmarole again, I now give myself the old coffee enema in the morning and visit the NT carpark toilets to aid the unavoidable conclusion.

I suppose I could just have a piss and a shit by my car though, as they can't get you for that.

[highrepute]

I find signs to toilets useful when I don't know an area.  Not everyone who goes automatically knows where they are. 

If you're parking in the Cove centre car park then about 10secs earlier you'll have driven past the clearly signed toilets and another 30secs before that past the, also, clearly signed NT toilets.

[tomtom]

Are there similar issues  with micturition and defecation at the crag itself?

No, but there's piss and shit everywhere. (joke)
I once got caught short at the crag, walked back to the village(NT carpark toilets) for a turkish, and, wanting to avoid that rigmarole again, I now give myself the old coffee enema in the morning and visit the NT carpark toilets to aid the unavoidable conclusion.

I suppose I could just have a piss and a shit by my car though, as they can't get you for that.

Get yourself one of these beauties.. looks perfect for the job

[Robbo]

Surely the best way to try and resolve this issue, is to self Police it. i.e if you see anyone pissing in the carpark, then give them a Shark style bollocking.
Generally people arrive and leave at around the same times, so there is a good chance people will be spotted by fellow climbers when pissing up against their cars, the lone tree etc..
I appreciate that this isn't always the case, but there aren't many people soloing up the Cove. As such climbers always leave in pairs/trios. So make sure you have a word, if your oppo starts pissing all over the carpark before you get in your car to head home.