Quote from: chummer on December 07, 2010, 11:39:20 amMy piss would have been boiling if I'd seen this first hand, I would have stripped their top rope belay and fucking hounded them until they fucked off, I am a little amazed they were pretty much left top carry on despite there being some climbers about. It may sound harsh but just saying something basically wasn't enough in my opinion. I do wish I had done more now in retrospect, however at the time they stopped and the belayer Struan said to the other prat Calum, 'maybe we should stop'. After I talked to them (and believe me I think I showed them my anger and serious I found their action) I scrambled up to the top of the crag to watch them and check they hadn't continued, they had stopped.I then went up to Mother Cap and told a group 5 mates and 4 other blokes what had happened, they were pretty cheesed off but we presumed they had gone. My regrets are not going back with a big group of people andchecking the damage. Then again I only though to take photos at the last minute, I was so shocked that I wasn't really thinking straight. I even tried to ring 4 different people from the top of the crag to let them know but couldn't get though.What goes around comes around....
My piss would have been boiling if I'd seen this first hand, I would have stripped their top rope belay and fucking hounded them until they fucked off, I am a little amazed they were pretty much left top carry on despite there being some climbers about. It may sound harsh but just saying something basically wasn't enough in my opinion.
His partner in crime.Struan Chisholm - 18 - is a student at Cambridge, doing History. He's a survival expert and will supply the expedition with as much fish as he can catch in the canoe he built out of sticks. He climbs only in big boots, recently managing an E1 onsight solo (Monolith Slab) in the rain. He spent last summer living in a cave in the alps and climbing hard.
When I first opened that thread I expected a unanimous consensus that doing this is completely wrong and there would be no arguement. Not quite the case it seems...
Why don't you fuck off as well ?
Hi I would just like to say that I know both calum and struan and the other climber is NOT struan and is probable some other imperial climber.Calum
Assuming you are the Calum in question, I have to say you aren't really helping here.WaldoXerxes knows you, but can't spell your name. Good start.If you want to enter an open discussion of dry tooling at Millstone, why don't you?
Quote from: GCW on December 07, 2010, 10:18:31 pmAssuming you are the Calum in question, I have to say you aren't really helping here.WaldoXerxes knows you, but can't spell your name. Good start.If you want to enter an open discussion of dry tooling at Millstone, why don't you? blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.
OK now assuming no troll? (big assumption, fair enough), not sure I'm comfortable with the way these two have been treated so far. Calum McL isn't the same Calum who's posts on here correspond to the activities of the idiot at millstone, Calum Nicoll, and he and WaldoXerxes seem to be correct in that Adam's post seems to have named the wrong person as the belayer. Given the understandably strong feelings on this issue, I'd be pretty hacked off someone named me as being involved without reasonable research, so it seems fair enough for them to come on here and point out it's the wrong guy.Or have I missed something obvious?Also well done to Gareth and SteveM for getting involved in what I'm sure was a pretty unpleasant situation.
It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.
He isn't the Calum in question, is he? There is more than one Calum. I thought Calum Nicoll had two ls in his name, but turns out he doesn't. I don't think that is really relevant. And also, how is this not helping? We are trying to clear the name of someone who's only crime is to be on the same website at the perpetrator. It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.Sam
Quote from: Duma on December 07, 2010, 10:29:54 pmOK now assuming no troll? (big assumption, fair enough), not sure I'm comfortable with the way these two have been treated so far. Calum McL isn't the same Calum who's posts on here correspond to the activities of the idiot at millstone, Calum Nicoll, and he and WaldoXerxes seem to be correct in that Adam's post seems to have named the wrong person as the belayer. Given the understandably strong feelings on this issue, I'd be pretty hacked off someone named me as being involved without reasonable research, so it seems fair enough for them to come on here and point out it's the wrong guy.Or have I missed something obvious?Also well done to Gareth and SteveM for getting involved in what I'm sure was a pretty unpleasant situation. However, then this was posted:QuoteIt's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.Which makes you sound like a bit of a cock.
Quote from: WaldoXerxes on December 07, 2010, 10:42:14 pmHe isn't the Calum in question, is he? There is more than one Calum. I thought Calum Nicoll had two ls in his name, but turns out he doesn't. I don't think that is really relevant. And also, how is this not helping? We are trying to clear the name of someone who's only crime is to be on the same website at the perpetrator. It's a shame that it needs to be done, but considering the level of stalking Calum Nicoll has received, it seems to be necessary. Perhaps you all need to calm down - everyone who's replied (except Duma) seems to be blinded by irrational hate over what seems to be (from a non-climber's perspective) some scratched rocks.SamIt's not helping by you fuckwits just shovelling the shit elsewhere without any attempt to use it as fertiliser. You can't be arsed to clarify events and you wonder why people get annoyed.You don't think it's relevant that you don't even know how to spell a friend's name? You claimed to know him, didn't you?"Some scratched rocks"? That just smacks of ignorance.You point your finger at me again, kid, and I'll snap it off.Now, if anyone would care to make a definitive statement about who did it, and indeed who didn't, I'm fucking ears.