but the guy who apparently mostly resembles me has never been seen doing anything and has also become a legend
Ondra looks like Su Pollard / an ostrich / Screech off Saved By The Bell and it's not done him any harm
And exhibit B - I'm gorgeous and yet no one ever sponsored me.
I am mildly disgusted by this thread. It seems that everybody, short arses and streaks-of-piss alike, can agree that being slightly taller than somebody is no distinct advantage.Yet whenever I have ever burnt off somebody else, the same excuse gets trotted out."Ooo you properly lanked that", they quaver.Never has anybody had the good grace to say "Gosh, you're climbing better than me today".It's a fuggin' diz grace.http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?topic=10347.0
Quote from: Will Hunt on September 18, 2014, 01:07:49 pmI am mildly disgusted by this thread. It seems that everybody, short arses and streaks-of-piss alike, can agree that being slightly taller than somebody is no distinct advantage.Yet whenever I have ever burnt off somebody else, the same excuse gets trotted out."Ooo you properly lanked that", they quaver.Never has anybody had the good grace to say "Gosh, you're climbing better than me today".It's a fuggin' diz grace.http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?topic=10347.0 What about that time you did pistol whip and I didn't, using the exact same beta... you lanky piece of piss
Those aren't issues that are specific to climbing or in any way the fault of the climbing community, they're things that women need to work through themselves but if a women's climbing symposium helps then I have no problem with it.
I guess in more detail I'm only about 80% sure that women need to "work through themselves". Take body image, for example. I know a few women who have felt very self conscious follow remarks by men on their muscular appearance. It's not unreasonable to ask for a bit more tact from men in this regard. But in many respects I agree.
I do feel however that this is not just a women thing. Men are portrayed in the media in just the same fashion, every male used in adverts gives out the same notion of perfection that you get with the women, but i just think we get over it.
but I remember seeing a few comments on there about certain women looking too beefy. It's disappointing to hear comments like that from climbers, people who you'd expect to understand the hard work and effort involved in getting strong and appreciate it.For me, one of the great things about getting involved in sport was moving from thinking of my body as a collection of bits, more or less valuable based on their perceived attractiveness to the opposite sex, to considering my body as a wonderful amazing thing that lets me ride my bike for a hundred miles, walk up mountains and crank hard (well, hard for me!). With that mindset, hearing the odd comment about being beefy or looking scary just makes me think the person making it is a small minded dickhead, but without that confidence I'm sure it would bother me a lot more.
I'd like to think that comments from climbers about how muscly a woman looks are not intended pejoratively, maybe just badly worded? I don't know a climber who isn't impressed by a big set of guns and shoulders whether they be on a man or a woman.
I can't think of any female athlete (body builders aside) who's physiques are that far outside the norm of an 'average' healthy woman.
Quote from: gme on September 19, 2014, 09:35:19 amI do feel however that this is not just a women thing. Men are portrayed in the media in just the same fashion, every male used in adverts gives out the same notion of perfection that you get with the women, but i just think we get over it. I don't agree with this. Women are clearly far more heavily scrutinised on their appearance, including sportswomen.
Yeah. I'm sure in any sport if you want to get rich you need to be really good at the sport AND a nice/ interesting person AND great looking AND commercially astute.
I'd like to think that comments from climbers about how muscly a woman looks are not intended pejoratively
Quote from: Johnny Brown on September 19, 2014, 10:13:57 amYeah. I'm sure in any sport if you want to get rich you need to be really good at the sport AND a nice/ interesting person AND great looking AND commercially astute. I don't agree with this at all, I'm afraid. We're not talking about getting rich, we're talking about reaching the highest level athletically (many athletes reach the top of their game without being a commercial success). In many sports reaching an elite level has nothing to do with appearance. It obviously does in surfing. I think climbing may be going that way, but I'm happy for people to disagree.