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#4375 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 05, 2012, 01:50:24 pm
keeper facing match fixing charges, hope he's got a good defence



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#4377 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 06, 2012, 12:51:47 pm
That's brilliant.

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#4379 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 07, 2012, 02:51:33 pm
Just been pissing myself reading this thread on North Stand Chat. I thought UKB was good at awful fish pun threads....
http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?t=256308

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#4380 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 07, 2012, 03:19:19 pm
Leon Knight sinks to a new low....

http://thisismyengland.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/leon-knight-any-lessons-for-unwise.html?m=1

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/leon-knight-footballs-oxygen-thieving-nobody/

What a cunt. There is currently a campaign to get the poster of him at the Amex taken down. Can't happen soon enough for me.

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#4382 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 10, 2012, 04:49:17 pm
6 month stadium ban for Steve Evans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19520436

"match", not "month".
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#4383 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 12, 2012, 03:53:34 pm
If no-one else is going to say it then:

David Cameron, in a statement to the House of Commons today:


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"Today the Bishop of Liverpool, the Rt Reverend James Jones, is publishing the report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel.

The disaster at the Hillsborough football stadium on 15 April 1989 was one of the greatest peacetime tragedies of the last century. Ninety-six people died as a result of a crush in the Leppings Lane Terrace at the FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.

There was a public inquiry at the time by Lord Justice Taylor which found - and I quote - that the main cause of the disaster was 'a failure of police control'. But the inquiry didn't have access to all the documents that have since become available.

It didn't properly examine the response of the emergency services, it was followed by a deeply controversial inquest and by a media version of events that sought to blame the fans.

As a result, the families have not heard the truth and have not found justice.

That is why the previous government - and in particular - the Rt Hon Member for Leigh was right to set up this panel.

And it is why this government insisted that no stone should be left unturned and that all papers should be made available to the Bishop of Liverpool and his team.

Mr Speaker, in total over 450,000 pages of evidence have been reviewed.

It was right that the families should see the report first.

As a result the government has only had a very limited amount of time to study the evidence so far. But it is already very clear that many of the report's findings are deeply distressing.

There are three areas in particular.

The failure of the authorities to help protect people. The attempt to blame the fans. And the doubt cast on the original coroner' s inquest.

Let me take each in turn.

Findings: Failure of the authorities
First, there is new evidence about how the authorities failed.

There is a trail of new documents which show the extent to which the safety of the crowd at Hillsborough was 'compromised at every level'.

The ground failed to meet minimum standards and the 'deficiencies were well known'.

The turnstiles were inadequate.

The ground capacity had been significantly over-calculated.

The crush barriers failed to meet safety standards.

There had been a crush at exactly the same match the year before.

And today's report shows clearly that lessons had not been learnt.

The report backs up again the key finding of the Taylor Report on police failure.

But it goes further by revealing for the first time the shortcomings of the ambulance and emergency services response.

The major incident plan was not fully implemented.

Rescue attempts were held back by failures of leadership and co-ordination.

And, significantly, new documents today show there was a delay from the emergency services when people were being crushed and killed.

Findings: Attempt to blame the fans
Second, the families have long believed that some of the authorities attempted to create a completely unjust account of events that sought to blame the fans for what happened.

Mr Speaker, the families were right.

The evidence in today's report includes briefings to the media and attempts by the police to change the record of events.

On the media. Several newspapers reported false allegations that fans were drunk and violent and stole from the dead.

The Sun's report sensationalised these allegations under a banner headline "The Truth".

This was clearly wrong and caused huge offence, distress and hurt.

News International has co-operated with the panel and, for the first time, today's report reveals that the source for these despicable untruths was a Sheffield news agency reporting conversations with South Yorkshire Police and Irvine Patnick, the then MP for Sheffield Hallam.

The report finds that this was part of police efforts - and I quote - 'to develop and publicise a version of events that focused on allegations of drunkenness, ticketlessness and violence.'

In terms of changing the record of events, we already know that police reports were significantly altered but the full extent was not drawn to Lord Justice Taylor's attention.

Today's report finds that 164 statements were significantly amended - and 116 explicitly removed negative comments about the policing operation - including its lack of leadership.

The report also makes important findings about particular actions taken by the police and coroner while investigating the deaths.

There is new evidence which shows that police officers carried out police national computer checks on those who had died in an attempt - and I quote from the report - 'to impugn the reputations of the deceased.'

The coroner took blood alcohol levels from all of the deceased including children.

The panel finds no rationale whatsoever for what it regards as an 'exceptional' decision.

The report states clearly that the attempt of the inquest to draw a link between blood alcohol and late arrival was 'fundamentally flawed'.

And that alcohol consumption was 'unremarkable and not exceptional for a social or leisure occasion'.

Mr Speaker, over all these years questions have been raised about the role of the government - including whether it did enough to uncover the truth.

It is certainly true that some of the language in the government papers published today was insensitive.

But having been through every document - and every government document including cabinet minutes will be published - the panel found no evidence of any government trying to conceal the truth.

At the time of the Taylor Report the then prime minister was briefed by her private secretary that the defensive and - I quote - 'close to deceitful' behaviour of senior South Yorkshire officers was 'depressingly familiar'.

And it is clear that the then government thought it right that the chief constable of South Yorkshire should resign.

But as the Rt Hon Member for Leigh has rightly highlighted, governments then and since have simply not done enough to challenge publicly the unjust and untrue narrative that sought to blame the fans.

Findings: Original coroner's inquest
Third, and perhaps most significantly of all, the Bishop of Liverpool's report presents new evidence which casts significant doubt over the adequacy of the original inquest.

The coroner - on the advice of pathologists - believed that victims suffered traumatic asphyxia leading to unconsciousness within seconds and death within a few minutes.

As a result he asserted that beyond 3.15pm there were no actions that could have changed the fate of the victims and he limited the scope of the inquest accordingly.

But by analysing post mortem reports the panel have found that 28 did not have obstruction of blood circulation and 31 had evidence of heart and lungs continuing to function after the crush.

This means that individuals in those groups could have had potentially reversible asphyxia beyond 3.15pm, in contrast to the findings of the coroner and a subsequent judicial review.

And the panel states clearly that 'it is highly likely that what happened to those individuals after 3.15pm was significant' in determining whether they died.

Response
Mr Speaker, the conclusions of this report will be harrowing for many of the families affected.

Anyone who has lost a child knows the pain never leaves you.

But to read a report years afterwards that says - and I quote - 'a swifter, more appropriate, better focused and properly equipped response had the potential to save more lives' can only add to the pain.

It is for the attorney general to decide whether to apply to the High Court to quash the original inquest and seek a new one.

In this capacity he acts independently of government. And he will need to examine the evidence himself.

But it is clear to me that the new evidence in today's report raises vital questions which must be examined.

And the attorney general has assured me that he will examine this new evidence immediately and reach a decision as fast as possible.

But ultimately it is for the High Court to decide.

It is also right that the House should have an opportunity to debate the issues raised in this report fully.

My Rt Hon Friend the home secretary will be taking forward a debate in government time. And this will happen when the House returns in October.

Apology
Mr Speaker, I want to be very clear about the view the government takes about these findings and why after 23 years this matters so much, not just for the families but for Liverpool and for our country as a whole.

Mr Speaker what happened that day - and since - was wrong.

It was wrong that the responsible authorities knew Hillsborough did not meet minimum safety standards and yet still allowed the match to go ahead.

It was wrong that the families have had to wait for so long - and fight so hard - just to get to the truth.

And it was wrong that the police changed the records of what happened and tried to blame the fans.

We ask the police to do difficult and often very dangerous things on our behalf.

And South Yorkshire Police is a very different organisation today from what it was then.

But we do the many, many honourable police men and women a great disservice if we try to defend the indefensible.

It was also wrong that neither Lord Justice Taylor nor the coroner looked properly at the response of the other emergency services.

Again, these are dedicated people who do extraordinary things to serve the public.

But the evidence from today's report makes very difficult reading.

Mr Speaker, with the weight of the new evidence in this report, it is right for me today as prime minister to make a proper apology to the families of the 96 for all they have suffered over the past 23 years.

Indeed, the new evidence that we are presented with today makes clear that these families have suffered a double injustice.

The injustice of the appalling events - the failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth.

And the injustice of the denigration of the deceased - that they were somehow at fault for their own deaths.

On behalf of the government - and indeed our country - I am profoundly sorry for this double injustice that has been left uncorrected for so long.

Why this matters for Merseyside and the country
Mr Speaker, because of what I have described as the second injustice - the false version of events - not enough people in this country understand what the people of Merseyside have been through.

This appalling death toll of so many loved ones lost was compounded by an attempt to blame the victims.

A narrative about hooliganism on that day was created which led many in the country to accept that it was somehow a grey area.

Today's report is black and white.

The Liverpool fans 'were not the cause of the disaster'.

The panel has quite simply found 'no evidence' in support of allegations of 'exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans' and 'no evidence that fans had conspired to arrive late at the stadium' and 'no evidence that they stole from the dead and dying'.

Mr Speaker, I'm sure the whole House will want to thank the Bishop of Liverpool and his panel for all the work they have done.

And I am sure that all sides will join with me in paying tribute to the incredible strength and dignity of the Hillsborough families and the community which has backed them in their long search for justice.

While nothing can ever bring back those who have been lost with all the documents revealed and nothing held back the families, at last, have access to the truth.

And I commend this statement to the House."




“Today's report is black and white.

“The Liverpool fans 'were not the cause of the disaster'.”

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#4384 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 12, 2012, 04:08:47 pm
It's gobsmacking..... appalling.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but it does raise serious questions about abuse of power, collusion between the security forces, government and the press, news international in particular. These go all the way back to the miners strike and right up to leveson enquiry. 

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#4385 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 12, 2012, 04:09:35 pm
I was quite impressed by the nature of the apology - seemed straight forward didn't play politics or point scoring. Be interesting if the differing authorities involved at the time start to apologise and are brought to charge. Saw Jasper's link on twitter to borris johnson's 2004 article in the spectator there should be a lot of apologies from the media and media figures. Let's see....

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#4386 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 12, 2012, 05:28:03 pm

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#4387 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 12, 2012, 06:15:04 pm



I commend this statement to the house, and urge each and every one of you to publicize  it accordingly.

["Bojo" did subsequently vist Liverpool to apologize for this, but it's clear he believes this "it's the fans who are to blame" shit from this drivel. Cunt that he is.]

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#4388 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 13, 2012, 03:45:09 pm
In lighter news....

http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/MANU

Hahahahahaha!

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#4390 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 13, 2012, 09:25:49 pm
Directly elected Mayor of Liverpool starts petition to strip Sir Cyril Irvine Patnick OBE of his honours.

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/mgEPetitionDisplay.aspx?ID=17&RPID=4231961&HPID=4231961

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#4391 Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 13, 2012, 09:59:35 pm
Im gobsmacked by the report.

what amazes me most, and doesnt seem to have been picked up really in the media is that this is the largest case of police malpractice, corruption and perversion of the course of justice that this country has ever seen. A systematic organisation of mis-information from the top down. 'Cover up' be-littles the level or deceit and malpractice that has willfully been executed here.

Sadly such behaviour still seems to exist today, as evidenced by the 'lazy' investigation into the NOTW and phone hacking - before the Guardian forced uncomfortable questions to be answered.

Notes from the PM's briefing post Hillsborough shows Thatcher to be culpable by inaction. It is easy to draw the conclusion that this was a favour returned for S.Yorks being on the brunt of the miners strike policing.

I feel a level of disgust at myself, at being drawn into believing some of the lies that were peddled (from the top of the S.Yorks police it would seem). I never thought that there were people stealing from the dead etc.. but joining the dots between the soundbite slurs of 'mob mentality' - 'drunken fans' - 'having no tickets' it is easy to draw the conclusion that this was a disaster that was partly the fault of football itself at the time. It is now clear this is not the case. The match should never have been allowed at such a stadium that did not posess a safety certificate, Sheffield CC, the Police and the FA are all clearly culpable here.

The Hillsborough campaigners and Liverpool fans should hold their heads very high at how dignified, patient and methodical they have been in getting to this point. Incredible.

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#4392 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 13, 2012, 10:29:59 pm


The Hillsborough campaigners and Liverpool fans should hold their heads very high at how dignified, patient and methodical they have been in getting to this point. Incredible.

Cannot repeat that enough.

Their dignity, tenacity, and determination in the face of the smears, lies, and constant attempts to belittle and undermine them deserves the utmost respect.

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#4393 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 13, 2012, 10:31:11 pm
One thing I do find interesting - the conservatives being in power at the time, is why New Labour never had the balls to 'release' this. They were in for ....what 11years? Jack Straw is having his moment banging Thatcher, but he and his cronies could of released this 10 years ago, no?

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#4394 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 13, 2012, 10:36:01 pm
One thing I do find interesting - the conservatives being in power at the time, is why New Labour never had the balls to 'release' this. They were in for ....what 11years? Jack Straw is having his moment banging Thatcher, but he and his cronies could of released this 10 years ago, no?

Andy Burnham finally got round to putting this into train. [On Brown's watch, but promoted by the e-petition stuff started as vacuous "voxpop" by his predecessor]

But no action whatsoever from Blair, Straw [a belated half-arsed "apology"] Blunkett,  Smith, Clarke, Johnson, [A.N. Other?], et al.

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#4395 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 13, 2012, 10:40:52 pm
And I've said it before and will repeat it.

Credit to Cameron for his statement and being prepared to admit what's happened, and make the unambiguous statement:

Despite the attempt of SYP to smear their reputation, the victims were not to blame

[It may well have shaken his firmly held beliefs in the infallibility and honesty of the great British Bobby on the beat. If so, good!]


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#4396 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 14, 2012, 06:42:10 am
I didn't know about this story. Incredible.

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#4397 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 14, 2012, 10:01:54 am
I listened (albeit to the radio version) of a statement by the FA - lots of sympathy etc but couldn't detect any form of apology for holding the match in a ground with a past record of near misses and without a safety certificate. Anybody heard any admission of guilt from them or Wednesday?

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#4398 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 14, 2012, 12:20:09 pm
I remember where I was when it happened and running in to see the coverage. I remember going to Anfield with my whole family to lay flowers. Have been so moved reading through the comments made by family members of the 96 now that this is all out in the open.

I'm proud to be an Evertonian but prouder of being from this great city and like TomTom said, the integrity and grit of the campaigners to get to this stage has to be hugely commended.

I know Boris came up to Liverpool and apologised at the time he made the statement, but I reckon he could do a lot worse than come back up and do it again.... Twat...

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#4399 Re: Balls to Fiend (The Football Thread)
September 14, 2012, 01:05:51 pm
I didn't know about this story. Incredible.

Not just Italy where everything is riddled with corruption eh Lore?  ;)

 

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