West Side Story question.... (Read 10603 times)

Percy B · January 04, 2009, 11:45:21 am

Did the sitter to WSS today - starting sat down with your hands on the ramp that your feet normally start on. I can't think for a minute that some other idiot hasn't done this before - any claimants? My thoughts are that it does add 3 or 4 easy-ish moves into the original, but makes the set up for the original problem a bit harder so to do the whole problem (to the top) is a bit more tricky, especially seeing as how the pebble has now been bustificated by some fatty. So maybe its 7c (at last) if you start from sitting and top out?

slackline · January 04, 2009, 12:16:23 pm

Quote from: Percy B on January 04, 2009, 11:45:21 am

So maybe its 7c (at last) if you start from sitting and top out?

priscilla wimbush · January 04, 2009, 01:32:42 pm

I think this should be in the news section.
It is news isn't it?

slackline · January 04, 2009, 01:41:43 pm

In my vain attempt to be be witty I forgot to state the obvious...

Good Effort Percy!

Darren S · January 04, 2009, 01:50:18 pm

Nice one Percy.

mini · January 04, 2009, 05:02:32 pm

Sorry to burst the bubble but Justin Chritchlow did this several years to eleviate the boredom of watching me trying and failing consistantly on WSS. Grade? No comment, as he walks up WSS like it's a 7a!

Percy B · January 04, 2009, 05:10:39 pm

No bubble burst. I knew it must have been done before - just didn't know who by. Its a great problem from sitting - its a shame its not writen up in the guidebook. If nothing else, it gets rid of arguments about where you start! Could this be the enigmatic 101st variation of WSS that Johnny Brown has never done?!? If so, another dream has come true

dave · January 04, 2009, 07:30:10 pm

i can't believe we're now debasing a classic problem like this with a pointless sitter. for fucks sake people.

Fiend · January 04, 2009, 08:09:23 pm

^^^

That.

Although good point about JB...

Percy B · January 04, 2009, 08:20:27 pm

Quote from: dave on January 04, 2009, 07:30:10 pm

i can't believe we're now debasing a classic problem like this with a pointless sitter. for fucks sake people.

Its just climbing up rocks, Dave. Whether you want to start on your feet or on your arse, it doesn't 'debase' the problem - it was just something to do whilst I was there and had done it from standing a few times. Does The Ace debase The Joker, because you have to start a couple of moves lower?
As I said previously, it adds a new challenge for those who've done it endlessly and want to beef it up a bit, and it also solves the where do you start arguments. And theres a slim chance that JB hasn't done it in his tennies (yet).

Pointless? That sums up bouldering in many peoples eyes. Are you sure you're moderating the right forum, Dave?

Johnny Brown · January 04, 2009, 08:28:05 pm

Sorry Percy, got to agree with Dave here, drivel like this is best left for misguided staffordshire raiders rather than locals with standards. Else where might things end up?

Obviously I could have done this but chose not to. [insert high horse emoticon]
As far as the grade goes, I thought the loss of the pebble had pushed it to 7c anyway.

Percy B · January 04, 2009, 08:53:45 pm

Quote from: Johnny Brown on January 04, 2009, 08:28:05 pm

Obviously I could have done this but chose not to. [insert high horse emoticon]

Result!

dave · January 04, 2009, 10:09:13 pm

Quote from: Percy B on January 04, 2009, 08:20:27 pm

Quote from: dave on January 04, 2009, 07:30:10 pm
i can't believe we're now debasing a classic problem like this with a pointless sitter. for fucks sake people.

Its just climbing up rocks, Dave. Whether you want to start on your feet or on your arse, it doesn't 'debase' the problem - it was just something to do whilst I was there and had done it from standing a few times. Does The Ace debase The Joker, because you have to start a couple of moves lower?
As I said previously, it adds a new challenge for those who've done it endlessly and want to beef it up a bit, and it also solves the where do you start arguments. And theres a slim chance that JB hasn't done it in his tennies (yet).

Pointless? That sums up bouldering in many peoples eyes. Are you sure you're moderating the right forum, Dave?

its not so much the "just climbing up rocks dave" (as many including critchlow will have done before) as it is reporting it and implying it should be in a guidebook. stuff like this and other "classics" like sit start to pebble arete have been reported over the years and always get laughed out of the park, rightly so, and then ignored. Unless the sea-level on everyone's quality radar is radically reset I would imagine this aught to continue to be the case, it'd be a sad day if not. its clear to everyone (or almost everyone) what kind of sitter is a joke and what isn't, even if things look equal on paper. but if you're psyched i'm sure such ripe plums as the sitter to crescent arete are still up for grabs.

dave · January 04, 2009, 10:15:05 pm

p.s. i'm not trying to be down on you, i'm trying to light a fire under you, get you to do some flip-in flip-out shit.

SA Chris · January 05, 2009, 08:40:00 am

Quote from: dave on January 04, 2009, 10:09:13 pm

such ripe plums as the sitter to crescent arete are still up for grabs.

Is it? Sweet! I'm on it, start driving now.

Stubbs · January 05, 2009, 10:52:47 am

Quote from: dave on January 04, 2009, 10:15:05 pm

p.s. i'm not trying to be down on you, i'm trying to light a fire under you, get you to do some flip-in flip-out shit.

no warm ups first try bitch

dave · January 05, 2009, 11:08:00 am

...front salad, back salad...

cowboyhat · January 05, 2009, 02:21:16 pm

Quote from: Percy B on January 04, 2009, 11:45:21 am

Did the sitter to WSS today - starting sat down with your hands on the ramp that your feet normally start on. I can't think for a minute that some other idiot hasn't done this before - any claimants? My thoughts are that it does add 3 or 4 easy-ish moves into the original, but makes the set up for the original problem a bit harder so to do the whole problem (to the top) is a bit more tricky, especially seeing as how the pebble has now been bustificated by some fatty. So maybe its 7c (at last) if you start from sitting and top out?

Yeah Right.

Monolith · January 06, 2009, 01:25:52 pm

Stubbs that segment was dope. Is it something from an old 411?

I'm going to phone Dense now and see what he makes of the sit start. I sense the opinion will be priceless diamond dust.

Stubbs · January 06, 2009, 01:28:51 pm

Cowboyhat gave the name of the production in question above - one of the best skate flicks ever made.

Monolith · January 06, 2009, 01:30:21 pm

Ace. Going to seek it out now.

wintermute · January 06, 2009, 02:30:05 pm

Quote from: Stubbs on January 06, 2009, 01:28:51 pm

Cowboyhat gave the name of the production in question above - one of the best skate flicks ever made.

surely not.

video days?
headcleaner?
subtitles and seagulls?
the end? - jeremy klein and heath kircharts section is possibly the single greatest bit of cinematography of all time...

yeah right was average at best!

andy_e · January 09, 2009, 05:41:48 pm

the DC video was well jackson. Danny way is a god.

cowboyhat · January 10, 2009, 12:00:34 pm

Quote from: wintermute on January 06, 2009, 02:30:05 pm

Quote from: Stubbs on January 06, 2009, 01:28:51 pm
Cowboyhat gave the name of the production in question above - one of the best skate flicks ever made.

surely not.

video days?
headcleaner?
subtitles and seagulls?
the end? - jeremy klein and heath kircharts section is possibly the single greatest bit of cinematography of all time...

yeah right was average at best!

Not average, because of the teams, the skating. Video Days, Stereo, yes.

The End? The Waterworld of the genre. I see you mention the cinematography...

vivahate · January 12, 2009, 02:28:01 pm

Quote from: wintermute on January 06, 2009, 02:30:05 pm

Quote from: Stubbs on January 06, 2009, 01:28:51 pm
Cowboyhat gave the name of the production in question above - one of the best skate flicks ever made.

the end? - jeremy klein and heath kircharts section is possibly the single greatest bit of cinematography of all time...

yeah right was average at best!

How can getting bevvied, wearing suits and jumping off a bridge compare to anything Spike Jonze has directed? Yeah Right was a new level in cinematography even if you preferred the earlier Foundation vids or whatever for style.

The End wasn't so much clever cinematography as it was a waste of money, although Reynolds' part was sick. The cut-scenes were as bad as Jason Kehl's.

Stubbs · January 12, 2009, 02:33:05 pm

Quote from: wintermute on January 06, 2009, 02:30:05 pm

the end? - jeremy klein and heath kircharts section is possibly the single greatest bit of cinematography of all time...

yeah right was average at best!

I assume these two parts of the post had to be a joke. Art bars is one of my favourite videos, but to mention The End in the same list as your other choices is pretty funny. Would 'Welcome to Hell' not make your list?
"Im waiting in my cold cell when the bell begins to chime
Reflecting on my past life and it doesnt have much time
Cos at 5 oclock they take me to the gallows pole
The sands of time for me are running low"

wintermute · January 12, 2009, 02:45:54 pm

haha, cinematography was definitely the wrong word, my mistake (and clearly ignorance shining through). Choreography is probably more fitting.
Granted the end is completely the opposite to the other ones, but personally i just think that section is so tongue in cheek that it makes me smile everytime i see it, especially due to the choice in music. In fact, the whole video does.
I'm not saying Yeah Right isn't a good video, and it does have some unbelievable skating in it, but i just wouldn't ever put it near the top of my list. For me, it lacks something special.
I'm sure most people wouldn't agree with what i consider the best (ie. the ones i watch over and over, and that stand it to me) but nevermind. I have dodgy taste. I was also a bit too enthusiastic to pipe up about skating.

Control freak · January 13, 2009, 05:00:33 am

Questionable will always be up there for one of the best. Not specifically for the way it was shot but because the skating was miles ahead of anything which had been released before.

As for artistic license - I loved the Tony Hawk / Bucky Lasek section in said Birdhouse film

vivahate · January 13, 2009, 10:21:01 am

Quote from: Stubbs on January 12, 2009, 02:33:05 pm

I assume these two parts of the post had to be a joke. Art bars is one of my favourite videos, but to mention The End in the same list as your other choices is pretty funny. Would 'Welcome to Hell' not make your list?
"Im waiting in my cold cell when the bell begins to chime
Reflecting on my past life and it doesnt have much time
Cos at 5 oclock they take me to the gallows pole
The sands of time for me are running low"

Totally forgot about that section. That line he does through Brooklyn banks is one of the sickest lines I can remember, cue the beginning of JT's self-indulgent parts. I think my favourite film was the Emerica movie that was totally gay for green tints and deathlenses. Has anyone in climbing used a deathlense, dunno if it would have epic applications in making certain moves look huge.

Stubbs · January 13, 2009, 10:25:58 am

Most of the BigUp films are heavy on the wide angle action, not sure it's full on deathlens but definitely wiiiide.

dave · January 13, 2009, 10:29:02 am

by "deathlens" do you mean fisheye? I've seen loads of climbing shot on fisheyes (see youtube etc), its one of those things that when you do see it its generally overdone (like having an entire 10mine vid shot on it) and hence looks wack. can look decent in small portions.

Stubbs · January 13, 2009, 10:48:38 am

Not just fish eye, high end super wide fish eye - generally less whack looking as there's less distortion than cheapo ones.
http://www.vx1000.com/deathlensguidearticle.htm

vivahate · January 13, 2009, 11:12:37 am

Had noticed the wide shots in BIGup vids but didn't know if it was deathlenses or not. The old footage of Dave Graham on Jade might have been a deathlense, thinking about how it made the holds look. They were sick for skating cause they made ledges look huge but kept skaters in proportion.

erm, sam · January 17, 2009, 07:51:11 pm

The use of the death lens in climbing films is not much cop becuase it blurs the perspecitve and you can't really get the understanding of where the climber is in relation to the holds etc. It is much easier to parse where a skater is relation to a drop down 20 steps vs the position of a climber in relation to the sloper and how much hip swing there is. Thus in skating it adds impact and scale but in climbing it adds an edge of unreality and vaugeness.
Don't know why I have such a strong opinion on this. I think the subject has come up some long time ago, giving me the oportunity to reflect..