Just to get one thing straight - I wasn't having a go or casting aspertions at Rich, or implying that he hadn't done it ground up. I simply didn't know that he had done Careless Torque - ground up or not. I write a bouldering column for a national climbing magazine...
Andy Earl just did Careless Torque ground up. First time anyones done it ground up,i believe.
I would if I could, but I ain't got his number.