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Sorry Simon I have just looked at the entry for Hubble and Liquid Ambar on the Climbing History site and see the witness confirmations. I must admit I hadn't fully mentally processed this yesterday or since I saw it earlier on in the thread, having been a sceptic for years. However, perhaps it is time to add him to the definitive list for both ascents? I see the disclaimer but surely a witness is a witness? Who are we to analyse the credentials of the belayer when we don't know them?