abarro81 said:I do agree that defining what is "a technical boulder" or "a power boulder" is very vague. But we all know roughly what is meant.
Wellsy said:Is that not kinda true though
spidermonkey09 said:Wellsy said:Is that not kinda true though
Well kind of, but most of the time we all know what the difference is as Barrows says. It seems counter productive to break down a pretty useful, on the whole, method of categorisation and make it essentially meaningless. Much like how its counterproductive to break down long accepted ethical practices/ concepts of what makes a problem or route good :devangel:
Liamhutch89 said:I clearly lean slightly more towards seeing failure as primarily a technical issue in more instances.
I was broadly agreeing with you until this. I'd have said the exact opposite - deciding a hardest crimpy or heel hook boulder is really easy in comparison to technical. Categorising a boulder as eg. contains heel hooks, is not too bad, and then we just need to find the hardest of that list. The problem with "technical" is that literally every boulder requires technique, if climbed by someone at or near their limit - I think you'd be hard pressed to find many boulders that aren't "technical". Even if they require strength in a particular way, that isn't what causes people to take a long time to climb it. For example, using BoD like everyone else has done, what caused Will to take ~10 sessions in Finland wasn't the fact his fingers/other muscles were too weak, and then he suddenly trained them stronger in a couple of weeks; instead, he had to spend time learning the technical aspects of the boulder (as well as the usual skin, conditions, etc).Wellsy said:its a bit like asking what's the hardest crimpy boulder or hardest boulder with heel hooks. Imo.
edshakey said:Or just any examples of very non technical? My initial thought was something like rainbow rocket, feels like it'd be one where you either have the power or not, but actually I'm sure there's plenty of ways to use technique to make it easier, and therefore maybe it is technical!?
Dingdong said:I think we can all at least agree that Ned Zeppelin is the hardest mantel in the world
spidermonkey09 said:Honorary Caley is miles easier than Marie Rose! Maybe Strawberries is a better corollary?