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Ben, the Mudclaw above is a proper peat bog racing shoe. Very light, aggresive but not that robust. They lasted me 2 HPM's and a few trainign runs but not more. The last HPM put a few holes in them.

Innov8 obviously do quite a varying range but the last isn't consistant across it. I got the Mudclaw as my feet are pretty narrow, the others I tried seemed to have too much volume at the front, they felt like flippers.

(to give you an idea of my feet, I wear Mizuno on the road as Ascics (sp?) are too "big" around my toes and a little too wide overall.)
 
Generally I wear anasazi pinks and blue slips.


What brand of running shoe should I look at?
 
I took my ass down to Keep On Running at Attercliffe, got the youth to give me the once over, and tried on a Nike, an Asics and a Brooks - the Brooks won straight away.

Ordered a pair from Barnes at Lakesrunner.com who was very obliging....

First proper runners I ever bought and they feel great, much nicer than running in approach shoes or big boots...
 
check the nike bowerman range, i run in the max. or at least i used to. walked home from the hallamshire in them today and my legs don't hurt...
as per getting your gait analysed. take your old shoes when you go buy a new pair, if its a usefful shop they should be able to work out whether you pronate or supinate, or if you primarily run on your toes etc. I think there is some recent evidence in the sport science rags suggesting that flash trainers could almost aggravate injuries.
I generally run for about 5 mins having done some warm up drills at home then do some stretching then go for a run, then stretch, if i didn't i'd be even less flexible than i am now.
Here you go, if your gonna run 3-4times a week, to improve i'd suggest one long run slowish, one hill session, ie run for about 2miles, then run hard up easy down a hill depending on fitness etc about 4-8 times, fnd another diff distance repeat, run 2 miles home. do some intervals another day, no need for a track, the repetitive corners and the way it changes your style can lead to injury. then 30-40 mins another day. enjoy.
anyway i'll get back on my turbo now.
 
For what it's worth galpinos has hit the nail on the head with the mudclaw 270, a pure racing shoe if ever there was one.
They do a heavier version which seems to be ok, I've only worn mine twice, but the number of people you see wearing them is probably a good indication to how good they are.

For fell running traditionalists, Walsh seem to have changed the last of their range and they are now wider across the instep, they don't seem to be as snug as they used to be, they're still comfy but don't seem to be as good.

A possible alternative to this is the mountain bear gladiator, although there are those who say they're crap on wet rock. Although I wouldn't know I've never used them.
 
saltbeef said:
no need for a track, the repetitive corners and the way it changes your style can lead to injury.

warm up and down the opposite way ::)

tonight was fun until the third mile when the horizontal stinging hail stones started and soon covered the track about a cm deep. hills by head torch on thursday with the fell boys.

i accept all points made about those inov8's wearing out fast, but it is not true of the rest of their shoes, i have another pair of less aggressive ones (teroc ??) and they are in great condition still, even after a two day mountain marathon. must also point out that i have never worn a pair of walsh... :whistle:
 
chappers said:
must also point out that i have never worn a pair of walsh

You ain't never lived, boy. :lol:
I admit that Walsh have various models which are all variations on a theme. At the end of the day, they are like rock shoes: what fits, fits. All the shoes mentioned are good hill shoes, it's just a case of finding the ones that don't destroy your tootsies.
 
Houdini said:
Must feel great running on a pukka track - all that bounce.

After a week in bed with a chest infection followed by 13 miles of plodding... Yes it felt fucking great to have all that bounce. Sweeeet bounce bounce
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Look at me :thumbsup:
 
I'm keen to train towards a half marathon; 13 miles is double-ish what I currently cover; wouldn't be aiming too high, I think.

I'd be keen for saltbeefs' regime but Hamburg is somewhat like Flanders and it'll be difficult to find any hills, though there is one that may fit the bill.

I built the structure (w/some help) that keeps the crowd dry (?) at the Manchester City Athletics track; I always thought the surface was lush, it felt great, even in steel toe-d boots . . . this has to be the way forward as I've no interest in fell running, and road running does make me sore.

Good effort on the half-marathon Lagers; I see you were built for endurance ;)

As for gait, I believe I may fall into the speedy Chihauhau/Smeagol-in-a-hurry category . . .
 
Hill reps are not only good for running up hill sthey can also help your speed, it's similar to interval training in the respect you put all your effort into the hill, and then your easy section is the downhill.
 
I did that half marathon with Lagers. It was a damn good effort as he'd been properly ill (as per) the week before and had to blag the organisers that he was ok to start. Still managed a very respectable time too.

Actually, when I say "did" what I mean is I walked from my house to St Mary's gate with the Mrs and sprog, watched him and sis-in-law run past, drove to Don Valley and met them at the finish and then went to the pub. Sharpe don't run.
 
Houdini said:
I see you were built for endurance

Yep, I can drink for two or three days with minimal sleep - as long as I have appropriate company (you know who you are :beer2:).
And as far as eating goes; I can eat almost all day every day without resorting to any unethical purging.
I am built for the traditional orgy, Roman style. :beer1: :beer1: :beer1:

The longest run I did before the half marathon was an hour and a half (did that twice) the rest of my runs were all one hour or sometimes less. The crowds and atmosphere are easily enough to get you through the second half of the route. I ran the two halves of the route seperately a couple of times at an easy, steady pace during training, which left me feling pretty confident about how fast to take it on the day. I was definitely faster on the second half, because I knew what I had left and what the route felt like. Redpoint!
 
houdini - if you're currently doing 6-7 miles regularly you'll manage a half no worries, just don't go out too hard and don't expect it not to hurt for a few days afterwards.(from bitter experience). Also echo LSF's comments re the atmosphere helping. On the other hand, if your looking for more than just getting round, a bit more than nipping out for a run twice a week will probably be required.
Re shoes, any decent running shop will analyse your gait and let you try a variety of shoes- some will use video for this but it's hardly necessary.
Training wise, if you're looking at a half then at least one of your sessions should be a 'tempo' or 'threshold' run (the fastest rate at which your body can process lactate) - easiest way to measure this is by getting a HRM: your threshold pace is about 85%.

Right, my own query, since there appears to be a few regular runners on here - How do you guys structure your training around climbing? Obviously I'm prioritising climbing here, but am trying to get out 3 times a week as well, with an eye on the Bath Half in March. Do people run and climb on the same day, etc etc. All tips gratefully grovelled for...
 
I would run and train on the same day- fingerboard etc that only really uses upper body. But, I don't think you get the full benefit unless you hang first, then run. For climbing/wall I avoid running the same day (and usually the day before for outside stuff). Even when you run regularly I personally think you are still only at 80% the following day.
 
I run and climb on the same day, but hey, I'll run, climb, lift, skip, then go clubbing - all on the same day! Sensational stuff.


Seriously, I've never felt so warmed-up for pulling than after a decent run. (Tho skipping followed by some powerball is a radge warm-up too.)
 
Is it really just me that's into skipping?





It's not a girls rope, it's metul 'n' evryfink!
 
i have running phases, in the past frustration with climbing has led to me getting into running rather than working through the climbing plateau, this may be why i have been climbing the same grade for the past 7 years (not fully true - i have actually got marginally better :eek:)

i can't do both running and climbing to full effort - what i have only just learned is if i want to get better at climbing, i can go running just not as hard/far. in the run up to your race you will probably shift your focus of effort to your running.

as for alternating leg and arm training - i read somewhere, that whatever you are exercising, you need glycogen reserves to repair and strengthen - since these reserves are finite, even if you are resting your arms by going running, you won't actually fully recover if you go too hard/don't rest enough. i think its good to have 1 day a week doing nothing. (i often manage many!)

from an energy level perspective, you can climb before running, but it is MUCH harder to climb after running. if you run a short easy run before climbing its a good warm up.

i just went for a run - the streets were rammed with new years resolution runners (including me)
 
I love skipping. You can get so wasted! It gets so intense doing 1 minute on 1 minute off intervals at high tempo, keeping the rthym not stepping on the rope etc really keeps you focussed.
 
I don't find skipping much of a work out. 10 secs of jumping up and down followed by 3 minutes untangling my legs from the rope doesn't really get the heart going.

I'll stick to running.
 

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