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shark said:
Another crag I haven’t heard of!

https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crags/el_torcal_de_antequera-2500/

What’s that like ?

Ah, I meant the town (we stayed there while climbing at Rosario). From what I've heard, El Torcal is worth visit but is no Rosario. Supposed to be pretty though
 
shark said:
Another crag I haven’t heard of!

https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crags/el_torcal_de_antequera-2500/

What’s that like ?
It's great in that its a forest of limestone tors in a great spot on a high plateau but probably not what you are looking for on a continental climbing holiday being short, bouldery routes on grey limestone. That said, it was 2007 when we went and they may have since developed some huge orange caves we didn't notice!
 
shark said:
Another crag I haven’t heard of!

https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crags/el_torcal_de_antequera-2500/

What’s that like ?

See Teaboy's comment. Really nice area but short bouldery routes. It has a fame between locals that the grade is bit tight but that's because all of them are used to long endurance routes. There are some hard routes from Bernabe Fernandez (He did Chilam Balam! I want to believe! ) in there... first spanish 8c or something? If you go there allow some extra time, its hard to navigate and locate the tors the first time you are in there.

My hometown is really close to Antequera and my recommendation would be to stay there rather that in Villanueva del Rosario. Antequera is very well located with good roads that will take you fairly quick to lots of climbing places, including Villanueva, plus there will be more opportunities for food/stay.

Another thing to keep in mind is that a lot of places in that area have ban between from 1st Jan to 1 Jul due to nesting. There are a lot of places that doesn't (most of them) but if you guys want to go to a specific place, take a look just in case! :thumbsup:
 
Any opinions on Villanueva del Cauche? Has the benefit of being in the rockfax guide, looks good?
Considering heading to this area after Christmas for a bit but, having spent a lot of time in/around Chorro in the past, looking at staying Antequera-ish and focussing more on Rosario, Archidonna and Loja. Looks like there's still a decent section of Loja open (Perros de Presa in particular sounds great). Where's best to check for bird ban status for these crags?
 
We went to Cauche one day on a trip when Rosario was wet, thought it was a bit shit, drove 2hrs everyday to climb at Otinar (Jaen) which was dry instead... If you like vert maybe it's better?
 
Offwidth said:
Mike Highbury said:
It's not, you know? It's really not. The mosque in the cathedral is OK but only that; the Jew-stuff (the most important, natch) is really disappointing. Heaven knows how many times I read the 'thirteen articles of faith' and Maimonides' commentaries. So was excited to visit only to be met with that crap statue of Rambam. An hour would be stretching it.

Stick to Seville.

My apologies, I wasn't clear, I meant the history of the Caliphate of Cordoba and the way different religions got on well and how arts and science flourished under their Islamic rule....probably the greatest intellectual flourish of any medieval empire. There are also good talks on the subject from Jim Al Khalili on YouTube (the Iplayer copies are sadly no longer available)

You may have read it already, but I remember really enjoying Maria Rosa Menocal's book on Al-Andalus, The Ornament of the World.
 
Steve R said:
Any opinions on Villanueva del Cauche? Has the benefit of being in the rockfax guide, looks good?
Considering heading to this area after Christmas for a bit but, having spent a lot of time in/around Chorro in the past, looking at staying Antequera-ish and focussing more on Rosario, Archidonna and Loja. Looks like there's still a decent section of Loja open (Perros de Presa in particular sounds great). Where's best to check for bird ban status for these crags?

Check the regulations here. https://montanaregulada.org/ is only in spanish but pretty straight forward. Please keep in mind that these are the official enforceable regulations from the goverment. The andalusian mountaneering association might have some panel boards with some regulations. Those are not enforceable, but you should follow them to maintain access and to not make things worst.

Those regulations can be found here: http://escaladoresandaluces.com/regulaciones.html only in spanish and a little bit more tricky. But again 90% of the crags will not have any kind of regulations.

Also, in relation to Villanueva de Cauche, I like it, is not world class but for a day it can be good, although I prefer Alfarnatejo, a little bit down the road from Villanueva de Cauche. I suppose it all depends on your grades and the style of climbing. Another really nice place to climb not to far from Antequera and off the radar is Cuevas de San Marcos. (this one it has a bird ban but I think is only during the summer)
 
More thoughts on climbing at Reguchillo.

Reguchillo is a very good crag and well worth a visit especially in the depths of winter. It gets the sun between around 12 and 4 in January and feels too warm then if the temperature is above about 16C. When the sun is off the crag the perceived temperature plummets so there is a 2.5 hour window in the late afternoon for a couple of redpoint goes before it gets dark. In theory you could start early too.

Vans are currently tolerated at the parking spot. You could walk to the parking spot from some parts of Jaén. The crag is 2 - 30 minutes walk from here.

There are around 800 routes and scope for many more. Other than at new year there were typically 8-10 people at the whole crag. The best climbing is 30-40m slightly or moderately overhanging in the 7s and low 8s, a mix of tufa wrangling and real holds. Grades are mostly reasonable, occasionally a bit erratic in the 6s. It’s quite similar to Chulillia with, at a guess, 30% of the routes and less than 5% of the climbers. Between us we spent 4 weeks there and saw no other Brits. Well worth considering as an alternative to the usual suspects.

Jaén is a very pleasant town with the usual amenities including a great little climbing shop. It proclaims itself as the world capital of olive oil which probably isn’t hyperbole. ~70% of Spain's output comes from Andalusia, 600-700k tonnes a year, about the same amount as the next 3 biggest producers - Italy, Greece and Turkey - combined. The landscape s not the traditional terraced olive groves but farming by GPS: 1000s of trees at precise intervals for miles and miles. It’s hard not to wonder about the prospects of this monoculture given the warming climate.

Andalusia is a wonderful part of the world for art and architecture. As well as the famous sites of the Granada and Cordoba, the renaissance towns Úbeda and Baeza are well worth a visit. In Jaén itself the spectacular Spanish baroque cathedral dominates the town physically, the Arab baths are more discrete.
 

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