Bring out your dabs

[Wellsy]

There is a fine line between based and cringe and it is hard to explain why this thread is kinda cringe but I honestly feel like it really is

 

[stone]

I appreciate publicly posted videos that show climbs done correctly. Videos with dabs or starting in the wrong place or doing eliminates wrong or whatever just perpetuate those mistakes for people that don't know otherwise.

Yes but publicly mocking an inadvertent slip-up puts people off posting videos in general.

 

[CapitalistPunter]

That's interesting. I don't think you and stone agree at all in that case! What do you mean by questioning intent?

This sort of thing. I don't browse here regularly enough to know if things like that are said often, but It's clear it can put people off creating content.

Which begs the question, why do you feel the need to upload it to YouTube?

Take for another example a comment on a video I made from ModernClimber who I believe posts, or posted here before:

"Bit by bit, the soul of the world drains into the digital vacuum. The heroes journey happens only with the cameras off....

I have subscribed a while ago - interested to see if you reject self filming"

While this example isn't related to any dab, It's another example of how ukb types often discourage posting content, which I find weird.

 

[CapitalistPunter]

Oops double post

 

[Fiend]

Stone do you still not get the difference between "choosing to publicly post normal bouldering videos" and "choosing to publicly post clear and unacknowledged dabbing* videos whilst claiming the ascent"?? (* invariably not "slip ups")

(There's even a clue in the thread title "Bring out your dabs", rather than "Bring out your bouldering videos")

I know I got a bit confused by Dabitalist Punter and the (ir)relevance of a Crag X video earlier, but surely the "bouldering video" vs "bouldering with dabbing video" difference is easy enough to understand??

This does also lead to an obvious solution to the issue which is: Either don't publicly post videos of dabbing or otherwise not doing a problem, whilst claiming to do a problem, or be prepared to be called out of you do.

Also this:

I'm definitely not upset by videos of people dabbing or starting in the wrong place, it just makes me laugh when I see it and the thread sprang up as a mildly amusing way to pass the time on the Internet. No more, no less, for me anyway. But I think piss taking is a perfectly healthy bit of culture as a whole, never mind just climbing culture.

 

[stone]

Fiend, an 8B+ boulderer has inadvertently started a 7B+ problem in the wrong place and gets public mockery for it.

To me, that is exactly what puts people off posting their videos of problems in the sixes and low sevens. They quite reasonably observe that even an expert (borderline elite) boulderer can get in a muddle, so anyone can.

As for this just being good natured ribbing etc. I'm calling that out as BS. There is an undercurrent of pathetic underhand unpleasantness to this. The pretence that everyone expects it to be taken on the chin with good cheer is just another layer of deceit and nastiness IMO.

 

[spidermonkey09]

I dont think the thread is taking the piss out of people posting videos, it's mocking people dabbing/cocking up. I don't record myself climbing but know loads of folk who do, and like everyone else I appreciate (correct!) beta videos to bail me out when I'm stuck.

It's essentially a form of schadenfreude I guess. Modern climber (aka Dan) postings are weird I agree, but they don't match the thread. And CP has also agreed that dabbing videos are funny and should be posted so I don't even know what we're discussing

I'm never going to be on board with hyperbole around words like deceit and nastiness tbh. People could try getting a grip. I actually agree this discussion is cringe, but from the other perspective, I find it amazing that (some) people get so upset about a thread laughing at people dabbing. A window into the culture wars?

 

[abarro81]

It's clear it can put people off creating content

It's another example of how ukb types often discourage posting content, which I find weird.

This is wild, have we really reached the point where people are arguing about "creating content" like it some sort of moral force for good. The world hardly needs more content.

You find it weird that people don't care about putting people off posting stuff.I found it weird that you spent 10 minutes trying to repark your car at Blackwell while getting in the way of lorries just so you could film a problem you'd just done that already has numerous videos of it online We'll have to agree to disagree on some of this stuff, especially where it relates to how people view online content, social media etc. I'd put it down to age if it weren't for Stone...

 

[abarro81]

A window into the culture wars?

It's enough to make you want to vote for Nigel

 

[remus]

@abarro81 I think it's better to just say "it puts people off". There's a view that UKB is full of curmudgeonly old bastards slagging people off which I think is a shame. I think part of it is the semi-anonymous nature of it, when you're in the clique and you know who's who then it's easier to see a funny side to it, but from the outside it doesn't seem like that.

If I imagine an analogous situation at a crag, I don't think you'd turn up in a big group of your mates and start loudly slagging off random people at the crag for starting in the wrong place. You'd wander over, strike up some conversation and then say something like "Oh I thought it started a move lower?" or the like, if you cared about it.

I should caveat all that by saying that I've posted on this thread a few times. On reflection I don't think I would again.

 

[GazM]

I'll echo abarro81. I just dont get Stone's point of view on this (but totally respect your right to that view). Why do people feel the need to post videos of regularly repeated problems? I totally understand FAs, significant repeats or rare repeats of lesser know problems, but anything else is just hot air to me. Or worse, it's self publicity (shudder).

If it's significant to you, well done, keep it for yourself as a proud memory, maybe share it with friends in a private chat, but who are you posting it publicly for? Who cares?

I know that puts me in the grumpy old bastard camp, but that's fine with me.

 

[JamieG]

I think we all might take bouldering a little too seriously at times. It's all just completely made up cuddling of rocks to keep the existential dread at bay. In the words of Dave Graham "never think you’re that cool ... you’re still just climbing rocks … in the woods … with bugs… and everyone thinks you’re crazy"! If your twisting yourself in knots about it, maybe you need to take a step back. Likewise if your enjoying yourself, don't worry about what other people think.

 

[Stu Littlefair]

Did Dave say that in one of his many bouldering videos?

 

[Johnny Brown]

I don't think I've ever posted a video on here, but it's interesting how this thread has involved. The vast majority of the posts in the early days were typically stuff like over-enthusiastic spotting or pads blowing in the wind, leg swing brushing pads, 'invalidating' an ascent in an unintentional and often amusing way.

Nowadays it seems to be much more common that videos show people simply not doing the whole problem. Why? Because rather than trusting themselves to enagage with the rock itself, they just look at youtube for beta on what other people are doing. Who previously did the same - it's self-perpetuating. Do people first scroll to the comments to check if they've been called out? Probably not.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I find Stone's idea that it is more socially acceptable for people to police youtube calling out 'wrong' beta or dabs a bit of a stretch. It's got a more personal slant and however polite it's very hard not to transgress into mansplaining territory. Maybe people should just try to engage with the rock directly? But then people who do that are less likely to be videoing themselves...

 

[Wellsy]

I take videos of my climbs and put them on instagram sometimes (not often and not the hardest or best stuff actually, I don't film myself usually, just at times), I don't know why, but I like it and it is nice when my friends see it, again I don't know why it's nice it just sort of is

If that makes me a soulless attention seeker then fucking whatever sure I guess

 

[finnbin02]

I take videos of my climbs and put them on instagram sometimes (not often and not the hardest or best stuff actually, I don't film myself usually, just at times), I don't know why, but I like it and it is nice when my friends see it, again I don't know why it's nice it just sort of is

If that makes me a soulless attention seeker then fucking whatever sure I guess

I agree with you whats wrong with just wanting to show your friends or people something you're proud of?
This whole thread just feels like a bunch of miserable old heads making fun of people to feel better about themselves at times. They're asking why post well why do you need to comment on it?

 

[spidermonkey09]

I think theres two separate issues here though. A very small minority of people don't really get filming stuff full stop, but most people don't care either way. The question is whether, once something is filmed and in the public domain, whether people should feel able to comment on it with anything other than .

I do think there's an interesting generational thing going on more broadly (I never see older folk videoing themselves at the wall, for example, but obviously thats anecdata). Its an interesting cultural change as much as anything else, its worthy of comment. As JB alludes to the wide availability of bouldering videos has completely changed how we interact with boulder problems - its very rare I try anything harder for me without scouring the internet for videos. I'm sure loads of people are like this. Thats an interesting behaviour change. Presumably the 'don't criticise on other people's vids crowd' can see the potential downsides of problems that show people starting in the wrong place etc? Moved on from dabbing now, which remains simply funny imo.

 

[mattsparksy]

I think theres two separate issues here though. A very small minority of people don't really get filming stuff full stop, but most people don't care either way. The question is whether, once something is filmed and in the public domain, whether people should feel able to comment on it with anything other than .

I do think there's an interesting generational thing going on more broadly (I never see older folk videoing themselves at the wall, for example, but obviously thats anecdata). Its an interesting cultural change as much as anything else, its worthy of comment. As JB alludes to the wide availability of bouldering videos has completely changed how we interact with boulder problems - its very rare I try anything harder for me without scouring the internet for videos. I'm sure loads of people are like this. Thats an interesting behaviour change. Presumably the 'don't criticise on other people's vids crowd' can see the potential downsides of problems that show people starting in the wrong place etc? Moved on from dabbing now, which remains simply funny imo.

Isn't that generational change just more broad than climbing. The younger generation are more online typically and the social norm is to share a large part of your life climbing or not.

How many Instagram stories a year does the average UKB user post?

 

[spidermonkey09]

Yep true. Its probably not a big number! I'm 31 and don't have insta, so I'm an anomaly.

 

[Will Hunt]

Isn't it odd that people would cheat at sport and then willingly upload a video of themself cheating at sport, perhaps also celebrating in the video when they successfully cheat at sport, and then get butthurt when people point out that they've cheated at sport. Is there nothing risible in that?