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Also people do get different things from climbing. BID and I were talking about this today; I enjoy doing moves that I find hard and pushing myself, and to me that's the heart of climbing. Aesthetics are welcome and important, but hard, demanding moves on choosy limestone shitheaps are hard, demanding moves nonetheless and appealing to me for that.

Perhaps that's a flaw but there you go
 
You lot are on smack. If I had fingers that strong and a trip fund I'd be on Jumbo Love or Finish Line! But hey, each to their own. But you're still on smack.
 
Wood FT said:
Danny said:
Comes across as a very Jerry thing, except not as dickish. He's not going there for the world class climbing, but instead to measure himself against the world's best climber.

This

This. Climbing every day with Ondra for a few weeks is worth the climbing itself being on the chossiest shit heap of a crag imaginable.

I don't actually think the crags themselves look bad at all though. It's just that the locals have come up with a bunch of things that prioritise difficulty over everything else.
 
Wellsy said:
Also people do get different things from climbing. BID and I were talking about this today; I enjoy doing moves that I find hard and pushing myself, and to me that's the heart of climbing. Aesthetics are welcome and important, but hard, demanding moves on choosy limestone shitheaps are hard, demanding moves nonetheless and appealing to me for that.

Perhaps that's a flaw but there you go

I feel the same, I just enjoy going outside and doing problems that challenge myself. Sure it's nice to be a beautiful crag, but I think the quality/difficulty of the moves is generally a priority over the aesthetic beauty of the area for me.
 
Bradders said:
Wood FT said:
Danny said:
Comes across as a very Jerry thing, except not as dickish. He's not going there for the world class climbing, but instead to measure himself against the world's best climber.

This

This. Climbing every day with Ondra for a few weeks is worth the climbing itself being on the chossiest shit heap of a crag imaginable.

You can't out flash Ondra if you're not climbing with him. And on his home turf as well, what a flex.
 
His full ticklist is on Instagram. Pretty impressive, to the point of ridiculous.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcxikY0D_fQ/
 
gme said:
His full ticklist is on Instagram. Pretty impressive, to the point of ridiculous.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcxikY0D_fQ/

I struggle to comprehend a list like that, it's absolutely incredible.
 
For anyone unable to see the insta post:
Ticklist for my time in Brno ✅
.
Kostej Nesmrtelný 9a
Perla Východu 9a
.
Drift 8C
Pata Ledovce 8C
Bulbasaur 8C FA
Ghost Rider 8C
Tekuté Štěstí 8C
Iceberg 8C
Charizard 8B+ Flash
Sila je Kouzlo 8B+
Svini Mor 8B Flash
Leda Kost 8B
H1N1 8B
Kouzelný sauce 8B
Patička Ledovce 8A+
Fénixovy Slzy 8A+ Flash
The Swirl King Sit 8A+ FA Flash
Blatant 8A+
Kapka z poháru nesmrtelnosti 8A+ 1st go
Švédský závodník Hotofson Sit 8A
Smrad Dálek Sit 8A
2nd place Czech climbing cup

Any idea what 1st go means as opposed to flash? Does it share moves with others that he climbed maybe?
 
edshakey said:
For anyone unable to see the insta post:
Ticklist for my time in Brno ✅
.
Kostej Nesmrtelný 9a
Perla Východu 9a
.
Drift 8C
Pata Ledovce 8C
Bulbasaur 8C FA
Ghost Rider 8C
Tekuté Štěstí 8C
Iceberg 8C
Charizard 8B+ Flash
Sila je Kouzlo 8B+
Svini Mor 8B Flash
Leda Kost 8B
H1N1 8B
Kouzelný sauce 8B
Patička Ledovce 8A+
Fénixovy Slzy 8A+ Flash
The Swirl King Sit 8A+ FA Flash
Blatant 8A+
Kapka z poháru nesmrtelnosti 8A+ 1st go
Švédský závodník Hotofson Sit 8A
Smrad Dálek Sit 8A
2nd place Czech climbing cup

Any idea what 1st go means as opposed to flash? Does it share moves with others that he climbed maybe?

Absolutely unreal. He says in a comment it shares the start hold with another problem so he doesn’t consider it a flash. That’s very strict in my book. But I guess it is a clear line in sand. Any shared moves/holds = no flash.
 
JamieG said:
edshakey said:
For anyone unable to see the insta post:
Ticklist for my time in Brno ✅
.
Kostej Nesmrtelný 9a
Perla Východu 9a
.
Drift 8C
Pata Ledovce 8C
Bulbasaur 8C FA
Ghost Rider 8C
Tekuté Štěstí 8C
Iceberg 8C
Charizard 8B+ Flash
Sila je Kouzlo 8B+
Svini Mor 8B Flash
Leda Kost 8B
H1N1 8B
Kouzelný sauce 8B
Patička Ledovce 8A+
Fénixovy Slzy 8A+ Flash
The Swirl King Sit 8A+ FA Flash
Blatant 8A+
Kapka z poháru nesmrtelnosti 8A+ 1st go
Švédský závodník Hotofson Sit 8A
Smrad Dálek Sit 8A
2nd place Czech climbing cup

Any idea what 1st go means as opposed to flash? Does it share moves with others that he climbed maybe?

Absolutely unreal. He says in a comment it shares the start hold with another problem so he doesn’t consider it a flash. That’s very strict in my book. But I guess it is a clear line in sand. Any shared moves/holds = no flash.

High standards indeed!
 
Wow, even more impressive then! Very high standards, it would've been easy to just call it a flash. Great trip :bow:
 
I can't believe anyone would consider shared holds to mean anything else

edit: actually, who am I kidding, I can definitely believe that
 
36chambers said:
I can't believe anyone would consider shared holds to mean anything else

edit: actually, who am I kidding, I can definitely believe that

If it's literally just the start hold that is shared then you're not really practising the moves on one problem by trying the other. I'd probably take the flash on both, what with my loose morals.
 
36chambers said:
I can't believe anyone would consider shared holds to mean anything else

edit: actually, who am I kidding, I can definitely believe that
+1, even if I just pulled my ass of the floor and then dropped off I'd have blow the flash on anything sharing holds imo
 
An equivalent scenario might be in the Cave where you had already done RA. Could you still flash Cave Life? (the starting holds being the same) The jury's out...
 

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