BMC Resolutions shout out
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Oldmanmatt
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Wellsy said:
I wish.
Dire, isn’t it. I see Simon is saying the people responsible have not resigned or been removed. I’m interested to know if that’s correct. Offwidth?
Steve Crowe
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Exactly how many new members will the BMC need to recover that loss. #deathspiral
It’s dreadful but I actually take a bit of heart from some of it:
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[*]recognise the problems
[*]take some concrete actions
[*]use plain language
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Now just the small matter of fixing things properly.
And if shark’s mission ultimately failed, he’s responsible for getting some of the dirty washing aired. Not surprising they wanted to handle things their own way, rather than his. The new CEO must be used to turbulent currents and capsize recovery. People like Andy Say are doing all the right stuff. Comps is changing, some of the parents/people on that side give a consistently good impression. Follow through with all that listening and give them a bigger vote.
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[*]recognise the problems
[*]take some concrete actions
[*]use plain language
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Now just the small matter of fixing things properly.
And if shark’s mission ultimately failed, he’s responsible for getting some of the dirty washing aired. Not surprising they wanted to handle things their own way, rather than his. The new CEO must be used to turbulent currents and capsize recovery. People like Andy Say are doing all the right stuff. Comps is changing, some of the parents/people on that side give a consistently good impression. Follow through with all that listening and give them a bigger vote.
5. The costs of restructuring, redundancies, and staff departures due to not tracking ambitious growth targets.
I'm not quite sure what all this means exactly, but it doesn't sound like any of it was handled in a great way or had a happy ending.
'Not tracking ambitious growth targets' - basically sounds like someone didn't follow the money... or the lack of it.
Well done to Shark for putting his head above the parapet and pointing out that the Emperor wasn't wearing any clothes...
I'm not quite sure what all this means exactly, but it doesn't sound like any of it was handled in a great way or had a happy ending.
'Not tracking ambitious growth targets' - basically sounds like someone didn't follow the money... or the lack of it.
Well done to Shark for putting his head above the parapet and pointing out that the Emperor wasn't wearing any clothes...
mrjonathanr
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Jacqusie said:
To me it means they spent from a projected budget that never materialised, due to exaggerated assumptions about membership revenue. Now, addresssing that deficit engenders costs of its own.
Simon Lee
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Oldmanmatt said:
The Board has primacy ie responsibility and accountability stops with them. Under their watch £1million has been spaffed away over the last two years with nothing to show for it.
The two main players on the Board are the Chair and President. Neither have tendered their resignations.
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No way back from this. They've surely got to go ASAP.
Just glad no Access roles are going.....
Just glad no Access roles are going.....
petejh
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Yeah, total shit-show. No surprise.
The train-wreck of the finances is a risk inherent when you attract managers to build an opaque empire in a 'glamorous' (using the definition very loosely!) - read 'expensive' - niche like elite sport, funded/incentivised with 'free' money unconnected to the department's own profit & loss; while trying to combine that kind of setup within a decent, boring, steady-income, historic grass-roots member's organisation reliant for funding on members subs. It was bonkers to mesh the two together as I've said for the last 5 years. The two ethos are unlikely to mix well. It seems like merging organisational oil and water. Even less likely to succeed when any financial oversight of the flashy expensive full-time professional part is mostly done by part-time volunteers from the boring steady mundane voluntary part. Madness.
Btw..
Throughout this debate Offwidth was attempting to obstruct progress of Shark's proposals and bewilder with his usual pomposity and political BS'ing, by claiming Shark's proposed motions shouldn't be allowed due to 'being founded in a misrepresentation of the facts' (or words to that effect). Even I didn't expect any such 'misrepresentation' to actually turn out to be an underestimation of the deficit. :
The MC failed in their role to: 'act as a representative body of the members, consulting with and constructively challenging the Board of Directors, and holding the Board to account on behalf of the members.
While the board utterly failed in their role: 'responsible for overall operation of the organisation, as well as setting and implementing organisational strategy in consultation with Members' Council.'
Without resignations to signal accountability it's an unavoidable MONC isn't it?
:shit:
The train-wreck of the finances is a risk inherent when you attract managers to build an opaque empire in a 'glamorous' (using the definition very loosely!) - read 'expensive' - niche like elite sport, funded/incentivised with 'free' money unconnected to the department's own profit & loss; while trying to combine that kind of setup within a decent, boring, steady-income, historic grass-roots member's organisation reliant for funding on members subs. It was bonkers to mesh the two together as I've said for the last 5 years. The two ethos are unlikely to mix well. It seems like merging organisational oil and water. Even less likely to succeed when any financial oversight of the flashy expensive full-time professional part is mostly done by part-time volunteers from the boring steady mundane voluntary part. Madness.
Btw..
Throughout this debate Offwidth was attempting to obstruct progress of Shark's proposals and bewilder with his usual pomposity and political BS'ing, by claiming Shark's proposed motions shouldn't be allowed due to 'being founded in a misrepresentation of the facts' (or words to that effect). Even I didn't expect any such 'misrepresentation' to actually turn out to be an underestimation of the deficit. :
The MC failed in their role to: 'act as a representative body of the members, consulting with and constructively challenging the Board of Directors, and holding the Board to account on behalf of the members.
While the board utterly failed in their role: 'responsible for overall operation of the organisation, as well as setting and implementing organisational strategy in consultation with Members' Council.'
Without resignations to signal accountability it's an unavoidable MONC isn't it?
:shit:
oldfella
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With so many gyms in Sheffield and high quality ones at that. Why would they pay for Unit E??
The BMC, to me, has always been about outdoor climbing, mountaineering and out doors pursuits including access and promotion of the ‘great outdoors’.
Some people will disagree with this, but I’d love to see new executives at the board who are brave enough to drop competition climbing altogether.
The BMC, to me, has always been about outdoor climbing, mountaineering and out doors pursuits including access and promotion of the ‘great outdoors’.
Some people will disagree with this, but I’d love to see new executives at the board who are brave enough to drop competition climbing altogether.
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petejh said:
You’re really playing the populists card here Pete.
There is a difference between disagreeing and obstructing.
Tbh, you generally come across more pompous (self-righteous?) than Offwidth, and I find it unlikely that a person capable of (apparently) understanding complicated financial instruments, such as yourself, has been “bewildered” by anything Offwidth has written. Cut the ::shit::
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Doylo, if you're reading this can we have a ColdWarSteve style image showing the infamous Innsbruck debauchery where they burned £600k on taxis and blow? Maybe Bosi wearing a floor-length fluffy white coat and carrying a pimp cane, heading to the comp in a diamante-encrusted limo? You get the idea.
Simon Lee
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petejh said:
Too late for a member led MoNC in the short term and hopefully we will get something less chaotic and more stage managed than that.
An EGM tacked onto the AGM led by a newly elected President where the old Board is replaced is a mooted scenario
Simon Lee
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