[Obi-Wan is lost...]

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It's a Cinder Cone

Good choice, still a classic, always has been...however I would be more impressed if you'd got one of these...

[fatkid2000]

Me thinks this isn't the hard-tail for fatdoc.

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/chameleon-08-r-build-32385

[Bubba]

On the other hand it has a brutally stiff frame that rapidly becomes uncomfortable on rougher trails

I just can't agree with that at all. It's a strong hardtail but it's not "brutally stiff" at all. I find it quite forgiving when it needs to be.

And what the fuck do people expect, it's a hardtail (there's a clue in the name) - if you want comfort on rough trails buy full suspension. If you're not prepared to put in the skill necessary to ride a hardtail fast on rough ground, then don't whinge, buy a full susser instead

There was a guy running the downhill course at Cwmcarn on a Commencal dirt jump hardtail. He was only marginally slower than most of the guys on big DH bikes (myself included). It was something to behold and I never heard him whinge about it not being comfy

[Norton Sharley]

 

Better too stiff than too Marin 

[fatdoc]

i'll be surpised if the wolf ridge has any less lateral stiffness to your orange norton.....

however having said that it's the first time in many years that marins dont flex, jerry's bends alll over the shop...

I'm currently not getting a hardtail, but using the cash for the winter holiday... which will now be in feb... coz it never rains there then (allegedly) I'll email those i reckon i may be able to persuade to go in the next few days..

feel better after no exercise at all for 4 days - gone retro ps2 with resi evil 4 all weekend!!, got 1st night's good sleep in 4 weeks last night... shoulder didnt wake me up

the marin is *cough* a bit bust, so I'll not get out until sunday MTB i'm afraid, which being vaguely sensible will be good for the shoulder.... by then it will have a new BB, crankset, chain and cassette ( bugger...)

[fatkid2000]

Last Wednesday the doc was praising his lovely Marin - well what's left of it anyway. I admit the Frame is still original but not much else, and I'm sure that will replaced under Marin's warrantee scheme.

[Norton Sharley]

i'll be surpised if the wolf ridge has any less lateral stiffness to your orange norton.....

however having said that it's the first time in many years that marins dont flex, jerry's bends alll over the shop...

I'm currently not getting a hardtail, but using the cash for the winter holiday... which will now be in feb... coz it never rains there then (allegedly) I'll email those i reckon i may be able to persuade to go in the next few days..

feel better after no exercise at all for 4 days - gone retro ps2 with resi evil 4 all weekend!!, got 1st night's good sleep in 4 weeks last night... shoulder didnt wake me up

the marin is *cough* a bit bust, so I'll not get out until sunday MTB i'm afraid, which being vaguely sensible will be good for the shoulder.... by then it will have a new BB, crankset, chain and cassette ( bugger...)

I cau understand why you might need a new BB and chain, maybe a cassette, but how on earth can you possibly need a new crankset on such a new bike? 

[fatdoc]

outer chain ring skipping tons.....

getting deal on chainset combo with the BB... seems reasonable to get it all done in one go.. not that excessive given the state of the rings

[Norton Sharley]

outer chain ring skipping tons.....

getting deal on chainset combo with the BB... seems reasonable to get it all done in one go.. not that excessive given the state of the rings

Your not getting a Superstar set are you ?   

[fatdoc]

standard XT full set. Just need it, or can't ride

[fatboySlimfast]

Just need it

cough cough

[fatkid2000]

standard XT full set. Just need it, or can't ride

I wonder what else fatdoc will find he 'needs' upon entering the emporium of 18 bikes to get his new chainset - probably a whole new bike!!!!

[Norton Sharley]

 Fatdoc & bikes? wtf?

[fatdoc]

will try and not to bust anything for a bit...

would make a nice change have to say..

[fatkid2000]

I currently have an old hard-tail frame that's in good working order howver the compoents are fucked and need replacing. I'm thinking of getting new compoents & possibly switching it to single speed. Anybody know where I can get this done - don't want to spend much as the frame is probably only worth £50 - 100. BTW in Sheffield & James's is a no. I've thought about doing it myslelf but I have not got enough spare time currently.

[slackline]

What about Braithwaites (I think) other side of the road from the Broadfield?

[Norton Sharley]

You mean Butterworths, but don't tell Fatkid - a single speed, you'll be buying a road bike next, oops 

[Dolly]

Butterworth's are great. I'm never going anywhere else now.
Dead cheap, dead fast.

[slackline]

  I'm useless with names

[Norton Sharley]

Dead cheap, dead fast.

Unlike you then Dolly?

[Dolly]

well I'm not cheap

[fatdoc]

You mean Butterworths, but don't tell Fatkid - a single speed, you'll be buying a road bike next, oops 

WTF do you want a SS bike in sheffield for?

Are you MAD?

even with your young roadie steely knee joints you'll have a mare, SS are for smooth flat places - like the south as to make the trails difficult enough to be worthwhile....

[fatkid2000]

You mean Butterworths, but don't tell Fatkid - a single speed, you'll be buying a road bike next, oops 

WTF do you want a SS bike in sheffield for?

Are you MAD?

even with your young roadie steely knee joints you'll have a mare, SS are for smooth flat places - like the south as to make the trails difficult enough to be worthwhile....

Yes I am mad - I just want something cheap to nip to the shops on & ride to work through the winter. My commute is basically flat through the joys of Attercliffe, and the hill home I can do on a 53 front ring with 6 spares sprockets on the rear. I have always wanted a single speed & a renovation project looks the way to go. Maybe I'll bring out this winter and kick your arse up Froggart Hill on it - like some odd bloke did!!!!

[fatdoc]

alas poor meniscus, we new him so well....


never, in the field of cycling commuting has so much idiocy been displayed by so few on the grounds of so little for no gain



- or something like that -

mad, mad, man....

[Yossarian]

another one for fatdoc...

chum wants to buy his first big(ger) bike.

he currently has a specialized hardtail and a giant vt.

i have suggested a speccie big hit. he is also contemplating an orange 224.

thoughts? if i was buying one again i would've gone for something a bit gucci, along the lines of an intense or a nicolai, but that's because i like fancy stuff me.

is a new big hit a better plan than, say, an ebay demo 8?