I suspect if I were in a position to be sponsored, I doubt my morals would extend to saying no to generous, high-profile money from over-caffeinated sugary drink company. It sounds like athletes get a better deal from them than many places, including medical insurance, and scratching a living as a pro athlete must be hard enough. I do find it troubling how ubiquitous it is though.As a teacher I've seen the effect that sugar marketing has. Kids genuinely believe that drinking over-caffeinated sugary drink company will help them to concentrate in class and do better. These are often the same kids whose parents send them to school with no breakfast (which is worryingly common in some schools). I've had kids throw up on me because they've chugged 2 Lucozades for breakfast. One lad had 5 Mars bars for his lunch - he bounced off the walls for 10 minutes before I had to ask the TA to take him for a run around the building. He had no idea that this might be bad for him, and I had to talk him through what he should eat for lunch and why all that sugar had ended up with him misbehaving. He was 16, and somehow all of the healthy eating messages had passed him by, but he actually responded really well and started showing up with fruit instead.
Quote from: Wil on January 26, 2024, 12:28:05 pmI suspect if I were in a position to be sponsored, I doubt my morals would extend to saying no to generous, high-profile money from over-caffeinated sugary drink company. It sounds like athletes get a better deal from them than many places, including medical insurance, and scratching a living as a pro athlete must be hard enough. I do find it troubling how ubiquitous it is though.As a teacher I've seen the effect that sugar marketing has. Kids genuinely believe that drinking over-caffeinated sugary drink company will help them to concentrate in class and do better. These are often the same kids whose parents send them to school with no breakfast (which is worryingly common in some schools). I've had kids throw up on me because they've chugged 2 Lucozades for breakfast. One lad had 5 Mars bars for his lunch - he bounced off the walls for 10 minutes before I had to ask the TA to take him for a run around the building. He had no idea that this might be bad for him, and I had to talk him through what he should eat for lunch and why all that sugar had ended up with him misbehaving. He was 16, and somehow all of the healthy eating messages had passed him by, but he actually responded really well and started showing up with fruit instead.Agree with your first paragraph but there’s 0 evidence other than 1 study from the 70s which has pretty much been debunked showing that sugar causes hyperactivity in children…
Agree with your first paragraph but there’s 0 evidence other than 1 study from the 70s which has pretty much been debunked showing that sugar causes hyperactivity in children…
Quote from: Dingdong on January 26, 2024, 12:33:48 pmAgree with your first paragraph but there’s 0 evidence other than 1 study from the 70s which has pretty much been debunked showing that sugar causes hyperactivity in children…And yet the first study on the google results for "blood sugar spike behaviour" is https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16005606/I don't have the time or inclination to dig into this (and I can see plenty of newspaper articles backing up your statement), but it seems extraordinary to claim that energy levels are not influenced by diet and/or that energy levels do not influence behaviour... they certainly influence mine, though of course energy levels are about more than whether you smashed in 5 mars bars...
while sugar can of course give you “energy” it doesn’t necessarily mean it will make you hyperactive and unable to focus
Quote from: abarro81 on January 26, 2024, 01:41:51 pmQuote from: Dingdong on January 26, 2024, 12:33:48 pmAgree with your first paragraph but there’s 0 evidence other than 1 study from the 70s which has pretty much been debunked showing that sugar causes hyperactivity in children…And yet the first study on the google results for "blood sugar spike behaviour" is https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16005606/I don't have the time or inclination to dig into this (and I can see plenty of newspaper articles backing up your statement), but it seems extraordinary to claim that energy levels are not influenced by diet and/or that energy levels do not influence behaviour... they certainly influence mine, though of course energy levels are about more than whether you smashed in 5 mars bars...Unfortunately I can’t read the full study but it’s quite well known that the sugar/hyper myth is just that, a myth and that usually it’s parents placing their preconceived expectations of the effects of sugar on their kids, really children have a shit ton of energy and if you try and make them sit still for hours a day they’re going to want to bounce around, obviously not all children are the same but you can’t expect them to behave like adults, while sugar can of course give you “energy” it doesn’t necessarily mean it will make you hyperactive and unable to focus etc.Some studies:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3133757/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3598008/Of course eating sugar in high quantities is bad for kids but there isn’t really any evidence that it makes kids hyper
Quote from: Dingdong on January 26, 2024, 01:52:37 pmwhile sugar can of course give you “energy” it doesn’t necessarily mean it will make you hyperactive and unable to focus If I eat a five pack of cookies in one go I sometimes literally can't focus my eyes properly. Does that count?
Quote from: Dingdong on January 26, 2024, 01:52:37 pmQuote from: abarro81 on January 26, 2024, 01:41:51 pmQuote from: Dingdong on January 26, 2024, 12:33:48 pmAgree with your first paragraph but there’s 0 evidence other than 1 study from the 70s which has pretty much been debunked showing that sugar causes hyperactivity in children…And yet the first study on the google results for "blood sugar spike behaviour" is https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16005606/I don't have the time or inclination to dig into this (and I can see plenty of newspaper articles backing up your statement), but it seems extraordinary to claim that energy levels are not influenced by diet and/or that energy levels do not influence behaviour... they certainly influence mine, though of course energy levels are about more than whether you smashed in 5 mars bars...Unfortunately I can’t read the full study but it’s quite well known that the sugar/hyper myth is just that, a myth and that usually it’s parents placing their preconceived expectations of the effects of sugar on their kids, really children have a shit ton of energy and if you try and make them sit still for hours a day they’re going to want to bounce around, obviously not all children are the same but you can’t expect them to behave like adults, while sugar can of course give you “energy” it doesn’t necessarily mean it will make you hyperactive and unable to focus etc.Some studies:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3133757/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3598008/Of course eating sugar in high quantities is bad for kids but there isn’t really any evidence that it makes kids hyperA quick read of that first study suggests that what it's saying is:Sugar consumption DOES have a link to hyperactive behaviour, but NOT to ADHD?"Simple sugar consumption may cause hyperactivity, given that snacks containing high sugar content cause massive secretion of insulin from the pancreas, resulting in hypoglycemia [9]. This stimulates an increase in epinephrine, leading to activation of nervous reactions and hyperactivity disorder behaviors [9]. In other words, elevated intake of snacks might increase the potential of nutritional imbalance, lower emotional intelligence [10-11], and ADHD [12-14]. A recent study on sugar consumption suggested that higher consumption of sugar is positively correlated with a higher level of hyperactivity and attention deficiency similar to ADHD [1,9,11,15]. However, it is still controversial whether or not there is an association between ADHD and sugar consumption."
ADHD aside, cause that's a different case, are we really saying that filling kids up with sugar doesn't make them behave differently, in what we might call a "hyperactive" way? Cause that would seem to fly in the face of all observable evidence.Kids with ADHD may behave in that manner regardless I agree, but I think Rocksteadys reading of that study is correct.
Quote from: spidermonkey09 on January 26, 2024, 05:24:40 pmADHD aside, cause that's a different case, are we really saying that filling kids up with sugar doesn't make them behave differently, in what we might call a "hyperactive" way? Cause that would seem to fly in the face of all observable evidence.Kids with ADHD may behave in that manner regardless I agree, but I think Rocksteadys reading of that study is correct.Yes ADHD aside that is indeed the case, there’s no proof that giving kids sugary stuff makes them “hyper” it’s an old wives taleshttps://www.eatright.org/health/wellness/healthful-habits/sugar-does-it-really-cause-hyperactivity#:~:text=The%20Sweet%20Truth,without%20proving%20sugar%20causes%20hyperactivity.https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20130722-does-sugar-make-kids-hyperactive
Quote from: Dingdong on January 26, 2024, 05:36:52 pmQuote from: spidermonkey09 on January 26, 2024, 05:24:40 pmADHD aside, cause that's a different case, are we really saying that filling kids up with sugar doesn't make them behave differently, in what we might call a "hyperactive" way? Cause that would seem to fly in the face of all observable evidence.Kids with ADHD may behave in that manner regardless I agree, but I think Rocksteadys reading of that study is correct.Yes ADHD aside that is indeed the case, there’s no proof that giving kids sugary stuff makes them “hyper” it’s an old wives taleshttps://www.eatright.org/health/wellness/healthful-habits/sugar-does-it-really-cause-hyperactivity#:~:text=The%20Sweet%20Truth,without%20proving%20sugar%20causes%20hyperactivity.https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20130722-does-sugar-make-kids-hyperactiveI might have read those 2 articles incorrectly but they don’t seemed to referenced academic papers.
Climbers don’t seem to be that affected by all the money R e d Bull pump into sponsorship do they? Has anyone else ever seen a climber drink one (or any fizzy pop for that matter) at the crag or wall?