Quote from: T_B on April 21, 2020, 06:24:37 pmMany of the outdoor honeypots are full of day trippers, not BMC members. Just folk turning up, milling around and walking on popular footpaths around Edale, Snowdon etc. They can stay at home as far as I’m concerned whilst the BMC should represent the interests of climbers, hill walkers etc. That attitude (fuck the general public, we want to go climbing) will do us absolutely no favours.the BMC are unlikely to propose everyone else staying at home while we get to do what we want...
Many of the outdoor honeypots are full of day trippers, not BMC members. Just folk turning up, milling around and walking on popular footpaths around Edale, Snowdon etc. They can stay at home as far as I’m concerned whilst the BMC should represent the interests of climbers, hill walkers etc.
Quote from: spidermonkey09 on April 21, 2020, 06:43:36 pmQuote from: T_B on April 21, 2020, 06:24:37 pmMany of the outdoor honeypots are full of day trippers, not BMC members. Just folk turning up, milling around and walking on popular footpaths around Edale, Snowdon etc. They can stay at home as far as I’m concerned whilst the BMC should represent the interests of climbers, hill walkers etc. That attitude (fuck the general public, we want to go climbing) will do us absolutely no favours.the BMC are unlikely to propose everyone else staying at home while we get to do what we want...They’re supposed to be representing the interests of hill walkers, mountaineers and climbers, not the general public.
"Coronavirus: 'Country trips should be banned' after police lockdown guidance changes"Rural groups campaigning to make the above happen.
Quote from: T_B on April 21, 2020, 06:56:57 pmQuote from: spidermonkey09 on April 21, 2020, 06:43:36 pmQuote from: T_B on April 21, 2020, 06:24:37 pmMany of the outdoor honeypots are full of day trippers, not BMC members. Just folk turning up, milling around and walking on popular footpaths around Edale, Snowdon etc. They can stay at home as far as I’m concerned whilst the BMC should represent the interests of climbers, hill walkers etc. That attitude (fuck the general public, we want to go climbing) will do us absolutely no favours.the BMC are unlikely to propose everyone else staying at home while we get to do what we want...They’re supposed to be representing the interests of hill walkers, mountaineers and climbers, not the general public.The argument has no logic. Our interests are fundamentally the same as the general public, namely more freedom when the time is right. Your implication seemed to be that the BMC should be lobbying for members preferential access to the hills and crags over more casual users. in any case, turning up and milling around basically describes going out bouldering!
Quote from: spidermonkey09 on April 21, 2020, 07:09:28 pmQuote from: T_B on April 21, 2020, 06:56:57 pmQuote from: spidermonkey09 on April 21, 2020, 06:43:36 pmQuote from: T_B on April 21, 2020, 06:24:37 pmMany of the outdoor honeypots are full of day trippers, not BMC members. Just folk turning up, milling around and walking on popular footpaths around Edale, Snowdon etc. They can stay at home as far as I’m concerned whilst the BMC should represent the interests of climbers, hill walkers etc. That attitude (fuck the general public, we want to go climbing) will do us absolutely no favours.the BMC are unlikely to propose everyone else staying at home while we get to do what we want...They’re supposed to be representing the interests of hill walkers, mountaineers and climbers, not the general public.The argument has no logic. Our interests are fundamentally the same as the general public, namely more freedom when the time is right. Your implication seemed to be that the BMC should be lobbying for members preferential access to the hills and crags over more casual users. in any case, turning up and milling around basically describes going out bouldering!The general public don't pay to fund a representative body that exists to defend their interests to go climbing, hill-walking and mountaineering. That's the reason for the existence of the BMC! It should make suggestions for best practice, but it should not tell its members what to do or not to do.As others on here have said, the BMC should be representing us by looking for solutions to the issues of how we enjoy the hills and crags within the constraints of the current gov guidance - guidance which suggests that enjoying exercise in the hills is not strictly off-limits. Obviously in ways that acknowledge and attempt to mitigate the risks of covid transmission and of poor public perception of climbers and hill-walkers. It should do this as soon as possible. And it should be communicating those suggestions to its members. Anything less than that is a failure of its duty to its members.The BMC is currently failing in its duty to its members by: 1. furloughing access workers while retaining other roles which are not as important to its members,2. total failure of communication from leadership to members on plans to look at solutions, 3. publishing articles of poor quality explaining its stance on covid-19 and access. If it can't fulfil its purpose it should be ripped up and start again with a body that does represent its members.
Did when ever come to a conclusion how long you'd have to wait to get on something if someone else had been on it previously?
Quote from: 36chambers on April 21, 2020, 07:50:33 pmDid we ever come to a conclusion about how long you'd have to wait to get on something if someone else had been on it previously?Good question. Palmer or saltbeef might know? Obviously quite key as without this no guidelines can be drawn up. Could it be mitigated by carrying hand wash for after each go?
Did we ever come to a conclusion about how long you'd have to wait to get on something if someone else had been on it previously?
Could it be mitigated by carrying hand wash for after each go?
The general public don't pay to fund a representative body that exists to defend their interests to go climbing, hill-walking and mountaineering. That's the reason for the existence of the BMC! It should make suggestions for best practice, but it should not tell its members what to do or not to do.
Quite an important point is what Ru pointed out. Until there is (I doubt there ever will be) some established case law as to what is and what isn't deemed reasonable by the police, there's no way that the BMC can give any advice about what might be acceptable without putting their members at risk of prosecution.
Our singular interest should be to stop the virus spreading, and going about our lives in such a way as to achieve that as quickly as possible. I do not believe that anyone needs to go climbing as the sole method of exercising, especially not for a relatively short period of time. It's therefore neither legal (as it doesn't pass the reasonable test for me) nor moral to do so until the virus has been stopped. Whilst the BMC message has been poorly communicated, they've still made that central point at least.
In Colorado the 'stay at home' order expires on 26th April and we're moving to a 'safer at home' order to allow some business to re-commence operation. It's entirely work focused and doesn't mention exercise but I imagine we'll see increase exercise outdoors after then (still some people climbing here)
I could say that you shouldn't use your nice new board because it increases your risk of injury. You don't need to use it.
Whilst the BMC message has been poorly communicated, they've still made that central point at least.