Quote from: highrepute on March 14, 2020, 08:52:15 pmQuote from: Offwidth on March 14, 2020, 03:43:50 pmI openly admit I was wrong there, however, I can't assess what is not public and its a real shame this advice wasn't released ages ago to recieve proper peer review.The paper Pete is quoting from was released in 2013.You are seriously conflating my stated concerns about the sources of government advice now (leading to what I saw as a dangerous aim to build herd immunity) being open to peer critique alongside WHO advice, with one 2013 paper from one group involved in informing government?
Quote from: Offwidth on March 14, 2020, 03:43:50 pmI openly admit I was wrong there, however, I can't assess what is not public and its a real shame this advice wasn't released ages ago to recieve proper peer review.The paper Pete is quoting from was released in 2013.
I openly admit I was wrong there, however, I can't assess what is not public and its a real shame this advice wasn't released ages ago to recieve proper peer review.
Leaked govt report on predictions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised300k dead..
Spain has closed some climbing areas. Can't quite understand why as I thought being outside was quite a good place to be.
You've gone all Trump from intially accusing others of exaggerating how bad this will be, to doing it yourself.
Ru, I was about to reply that you can't 'drip feed the medical professionals the whole truth' but keep it from the public as you suggest the government might do. They are one and the same thing, as this just proves. Truth's out now, we can all prepare accordingly.
Ru, I was about to reply that you can't 'drip feed the medical professionals the whole truth' but keep it from the public as you suggest the government might do. They are one and the same thing, as this just proves.
Quote from: Offwidth on March 15, 2020, 01:34:06 pmYou've gone all Trump from intially accusing others of exaggerating how bad this will be, to doing it yourself. Offwidth. I thought this was total bullshit when I read it. But just to confirm, I've scanned back through the last 23 pages of this thread and checked every one of my posts. There isn't a single post made by me accusing anyone of exaggerating how bad this will be. Take 15 minutes and look for yourself, and when you're done please come back to me and apologise for characterising me that way. Yet more unsubstantiated bullshitting from you.BTW it wasn't me who smote you for endless Guardian links, that was TB.. My posts give my view, as matter-of-factly as I can, on what I see happening and what looks most likely to my non-expert, non-medical-profession mind based on a reading of the facts as they emerge, and attempting to put them in historical context.That leaked report is pretty much what the facts were suggesting middle of this week. Unfortunately, each time I've been correct in my predictions of how this will play out. Today in the climbing wall and elsewhere, most I spoke to were still in some state of denial about the long-term outlook, but the truth was dawning. Things will change next week.
Offwidth. I thought this was total bullshit when I read it. But just to confirm, I've scanned back through the last 23 pages of this thread and checked every one of my posts. There isn't a single post made by me accusing anyone of exaggerating how bad this will be. Take 15 minutes and look for yourself, and when you're done please come back to me and apologise for characterising me that way. Yet more unsubstantiated bullshitting from you.
I find it DEEPLY ironic that we knew so much about this virus SO early because the Chinese scientists posted all their findings online/open access. From data about its spread to its sequencing. YET, our own government hide their data and their analysis (presuming they actually have any aside from back of fag packet scribbles) from the rest of the world. If we have a great way of dealing with things - why are we not sharing this with everyone else? This alone leads me to believe our decision is basically interpretation (e.g. oppinion) rather than numbers.
Not sharing our science findings is really shit. Its nearly as shit as trying to buy out a vaccine company to ensure US exclusivity. Not quite as wanky - but on the same page of shit things to do during a global pandemic.Because they're not being shared - it makes me think its because they are (a) crap and too embarassed to share or (b) don't exist and are based on 'best professional judgement' which in my field is also called guessing.
Quote from: tomtom on March 15, 2020, 09:04:45 pmLeaked govt report on predictions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised300k dead..And, let's see if they "socialise" the losses of the rich again...Almost seems like they've read this thread...UK government spent £500 billion bailing out the banks. Let's see how much they commit to helping us plebs get through this.