"some turbulence" is a breathtaking euphemism for blighting people's whole lives.As far as I can tell this "turbulence" is likely to be a decade atl east of constant financial crisis coming straight on top of the 8 years of financial crisis we've already been put through.
Other viewpoints/opinions are available if you look outside your own facebook/twitter feeds.
(In reply to Slackers, but applies to above too)That's all very well and not being disputed by anyone is it?But what does that have to do with us leaving the EU, bearing in mind the situation you describe had/has nothing to do with brexit and pre-dates it by a long margin? I understand our species tendency to pin whatever ills us most on whatever most easily springs to mind, of course.
That has very little to do directly with the brexit debate and everything to do with the UK government.
A fully accountable government
Quote from: petejh on December 12, 2016, 12:48:48 pmA fully accountable government Fully accountable to who? They will no longer be fully accountable to a greater controlling hand, that's for sure.Seems to me like the government (most likely to remain Tory) will remain true to their roots, help the rich Tory heartland voters, fuck the poor who naively voted for Brexit in the first place believing the lies they were sold that it would make their lives better, but if (or probably when) it goes to the wall, the toffs will look after own, first and foremost.
e.g. the IMF have 'U-turned' since before the referendum
In short - removal of a major constraint on government decision-making. A fully accountable government with no-where to hide, instead of a government with an easy out that can make itself appear to be acting as middle-management.
Fultonius - a couple of articles in the Spectator sum up my views on what benefits brexit offers us. Far better to read those than for me try to explain cack-handedly. http://www.spectator.co.uk/tag/brexit/
Here's a very good debate on bexit. Nothing on here really comes close, least of all from me.http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/matthew-parris-vs-matt-ridley-on-brexit-bitterness/
The big story is the lack of any credible opposition. Who else are they going to vote for?
Quote from: petejh on December 12, 2016, 02:04:23 pmHere's a very good debate on bexit. Nothing on here really comes close, least of all from me.http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/matthew-parris-vs-matt-ridley-on-brexit-bitterness/To turn a section of this on its head and on you:RIDLEY erm: I wonder, Matthew petejh, what it would take to convince you that your fears hopes about Brexit were misplaced?(In case anyone hasn't read the piece pete linked: Matthew = remain and Ridley = leave.)
Quote from: petejh on December 12, 2016, 01:38:03 pmThe big story is the lack of any credible opposition. Who else are they going to vote for?No, it's not the big story, it's side column. Big Story is with no credible opposition, the tories will basically have a mandate to do whatever they want without the control of Brussels and safe in the knowledge that it will be very difficult to oust them.
Because they aren't Tories.
Can you name any instances where you didn't like something the EU has done and would wish for them to be ousted? And how about the irony of the fact we're now removing ourselves from the EU but will most likely still need to abide by rules that we will have no influence over to keep trading? How bad will the plan need to look before you start to feel that a maybe it's just a very shit deal where we will lose far far more than we could "gain" (the reason I put gain in inverted commas is that I don't believe there is much to be gained anyway, but I think we can agree to disagree on that) Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk
Any chance you could link to those articles then? Assuming you don't wholeheartedly agree with everything the Spectator publishes on the subject...
Quote from: SA Chris on December 12, 2016, 03:46:50 pmBecause they aren't Tories.Weak response and certainly no reason to vote to submit to continued membership.
Quote from: petejh on December 12, 2016, 04:25:58 pmQuote from: SA Chris on December 12, 2016, 03:46:50 pmBecause they aren't Tories.Weak response and certainly no reason to vote to submit to continued membership.I don't know where you live pete, but up here in Scotland there is a strong concern that British politics is dominated by southern England and therefore by the Conservative party.The EU, with worker protections and other such rules, is then viewed as inhibiting the Conservatives from remaking the UK in their preferred image. Now, of course, we finder ourselves with no effective opposition and a Conservative government turning this fear into a reality.