Quote from: yetix on October 06, 2020, 01:16:08 pmAs this is a slow Tuesday in the (home) office another similarly busy roadside crag for bouldering is the bowderstone surely, but flip flopera (3 ascents), sideshow (3 ascents) etc seem to not get many repeats. Pretty sure only 4 people have climbed 8b on the bowserstone (Varian, Aidan, JackPal, Hamish McArthur??? ). How does that compare to Parisellas or the Tor for roadside venues?Although the bowderstone is close to the road I'd say it isn't particularly close for a lot of people i.e. it's not close to many big cities.
As this is a slow Tuesday in the (home) office another similarly busy roadside crag for bouldering is the bowderstone surely, but flip flopera (3 ascents), sideshow (3 ascents) etc seem to not get many repeats. Pretty sure only 4 people have climbed 8b on the bowserstone (Varian, Aidan, JackPal, Hamish McArthur??? ). How does that compare to Parisellas or the Tor for roadside venues?
...and if you think this is me sticking up for Pete because he lives less than a mile away, you don't understand our "relationship" .
Quote from: Paul B on October 06, 2020, 02:38:38 pm...and if you think this is me sticking up for Pete because he lives less than a mile away, you don't understand our "relationship" .I think Pete should go and try it to give us a definitive answer; if he can do it, it's 8A+, if he can't it's 8B. Until he can do it, then it'll be back to 8A+
JackPal, have you done Keen Roof? How does it compare with all the other 8B's you've been on?
I bet between us on here we could propose some good benchmark 8Bs though. But it would have to be ‘some’ I don’t think one is appropriate. Can’t compare a 2 move one to a 12 move one.
So basically, Keen Roof is 8A+ with new beta in the same way that Mecca is 8b with a kneepad but they each have to stay as 8B and 8b+ respectively because there are lots of people in Sheffield whose livelihoods or self-worth depend on them being able to tell their sponsors/mums that they've done an 8B/8b+?
Don’t worry Jordan, I think Isla de encanta is pretty benchmark..!!! Flashing that thing is just taking the piss.
Quote from: Will Hunt on October 06, 2020, 04:22:19 pmSo basically, Keen Roof is 8A+ with new beta in the same way that Mecca is 8b with a kneepad but they each have to stay as 8B and 8b+ respectively because there are lots of people in Sheffield whose livelihoods or self-worth depend on them being able to tell their sponsors/mums that they've done an 8B/8b+?I take it you've compared Mecca with your extensive portfolio of 8b and 8b+ ascents to arrive at your conclusion on grades? Not that anyone knows the difference between hard 8b and easy 8b+ anyway, since they're basically the same thing.
Not to mention my extensive knowledge of the Snore, a crag which (thanks be to God) I have not visited - an eighth circle of hell where vainglorious climbers are eternally tortured by vanlifers and Bluetooth speakers.
Quote from: abarro81 on October 06, 2020, 04:56:04 pmQuote from: Will Hunt on October 06, 2020, 04:22:19 pmSo basically, Keen Roof is 8A+ with new beta in the same way that Mecca is 8b with a kneepad but they each have to stay as 8B and 8b+ respectively because there are lots of people in Sheffield whose livelihoods or self-worth depend on them being able to tell their sponsors/mums that they've done an 8B/8b+?I take it you've compared Mecca with your extensive portfolio of 8b and 8b+ ascents to arrive at your conclusion on grades? Not that anyone knows the difference between hard 8b and easy 8b+ anyway, since they're basically the same thing.Not to mention my extensive knowledge of the Snore, a crag which (thanks be to God) I have not visited - an eighth circle of hell where vainglorious climbers are eternally tortured by vanlifers and Bluetooth speakers.(Mecca comments are based on the knee pad thread from a couple of years ago).
To add to the downgrade debate, Andy Jackson did Keen Roof today and said it felt 8A+ with 'tall beta'.