Disillusioned/Indignant Fox 6A
I also disassembled the blocks wedged in mud masquerading as ledgy footholds at the base of Corpse Crack which now makes G the logical start position for the right to left.
I,ve been biting my tongue on the lime eliminates threads, but retro eliminates on the grit!?!If K makes Westwood easier then it's an easier problem not a different one.
Totally true, but it’s not a different problem it’s an eliminate. Personally I think there is a time and a place for the recording of eliminates. I think a one sheet internet topo of a rainproof climbing wall style venue is a good example of such. As someone who goes to this place regularly, due largely to a reluctance to go indoor or boulder on lime at the tail ends of the grit season or when it rains, I do treat it somewhat like an outdoor climbing wall. I don’t intend to put things like Connoisseurs Version or Westwood Original on pb.info as full entries, though I suppose others might. It’s a fair argument that treating places in this way might encourage proliferation into inappropriate areas but I don’t think this is reason enough not to do it for places that really fit the bill. The existence of sub-problem entities, which eliminates are in most cases, in the right context only detract from the lines they bastardise if people are daft enough to let them, as is the case at Crag X where most of the none eliminate versions of things aren’t recognised problems. This is also the reason why I have used numbers and letters. The numbered problems in the main being the all holds in lines, with the lettered problems being variants/eliminates on that theme. I think if anything my documentation tries to re-prioritise away from eliminates, for example see the way Hats For Weasels/ Kristain’s prob is arranged. As a fan of Pinches Wall I assume you appreciate the value of eliminates in some contexts, so I assume it’s the where and when that you differ with me on. I don’t think you need to bite your tongue about this though. Geeky as it may be I think there’s a valid, nay important, debate to be had about where eliminates enhance bouldering and where they detract. As to Westwood Original my justification is that I think K has perhaps been altered since the FA. It could just be my poor memory but I recall it being much less user friendly at the time. It is also arguably better climbing than the no-holds-barred version involving one of the most impressive moves I’ve ever seen executed. In the context of the nextdoor problem having a long established eliminate version (one which only makes sense as a wet weather version of Kristain’s problem, as the exclusions are otherwise a bit random and the new climbing not exceptional enough to justify a name let alone be the soul recorded problem up the line in three guides). It also defines the worthy challenge (IMO) of linking the low roof on the left into Westwood. The other point is that this topo is just the world according to me, it’s not presented as definitive or the product of any consultation, I trust people who write future guides understand this. However maybe I’ve got it all wrong and James’ way is actually still the easiest way to do the move from that sit position, in which case I’m just muddying the waters. It could be so as everyone I know of whose done this bit of climbing from sitting came in from the right. I’ll ask Tom (or any other repeaters who come to light) next time I see him.