And of course there are far more walkers than bikers and riders combined.
Quote from: tlr on October 07, 2013, 10:46:26 amAnd of course there are far more walkers than bikers and riders combined.Not true here in East Lancs or if it is it gives lie to the idea that bikes do no more damage than walkers. Even in the four yes I've been going up there mountain bikers have made a proper mess of Harcles Hill and Bull Hill area. Trenches have appeared leading up to the edges of burns and once that happens bikers then scoot off either side and in short order another one appears. Where once a walker might have hoped across from one bank to another this is no longer possible. Downhill sections are similarly torn up as bikers descend at speed and then skid hard on the breaks, it's hard to see a walker doing similar.
Sounds like a piss poor skill level of Mtber round there....
As climber's we do an ok job of looking after the place and historically have a good code of conduct
QuoteAs climber's we do an ok job of looking after the place and historically have a good code of conductCan someone explain to me why; placing, removing and falling onto nuts and friends, bolting routes, erosion at the base of crags and boulders, cleaning routes, dry tooling/mixed winter climbing, shitting at the crag etc... is so much more environmentally friendly and acceptable than the damage done by pedal strikes and slight trail conflict caused by riding on footpaths. Climbers cant really claim any moral high ground. Live and let live, no one got hurt and everyone had a nice day out.
The whole reason for this post is it just annoys me that some folk feel that its ok to do whatever the fu*k they want as long as they are enjoying themselves. The Peak is creaking under the strain, you can almost feel it sometimes on busy days and if people continue to abuse the place then its going to be royally fu**ed.