I'm not sure many cyclists were clean back then.
Quote from: SA Chris on September 12, 2012, 01:07:27 pmI'm not sure many cyclists were clean back then.i agreeand today?do they climb and race significantly slower?
do they train less and participate to less events?if the answers are "no", i guess not many cyclists are clean right now too...
This idea that everyone being on drugs in cycling back in the day makes it ok is frankly laughable. He could have made a stand and bust the drugs game wide open, but he chose to go along with it and litigate against anyone who dared speak out.
Quote from: a dense loner on September 15, 2012, 01:21:56 pmU can't remove someone of their efforts of yrs gone by when everyone was doing the same thing.The point being you have no way of knowing if they were all doing the same.
U can't remove someone of their efforts of yrs gone by when everyone was doing the same thing.
If they were companies wouldn't spend millions developing these drugs n the powers that be wouldn't spend millions on testing.
What so they all enable "drugs mode" and suddenly everyone's on a level playing field again? Ha ha ha ha.
Quote from: dave on September 16, 2012, 07:45:48 pmWhat so they all enable "drugs mode" and suddenly everyone's on a level playing field again? Ha ha ha ha.This is a big point imho. From what I've read, which is probably from an anti-Lance viewpoint, Lance was at the forefront of the undetectable threashold. He wasn't just the best rider on drugs, he was the rider on the best drugs. He got the new and best stuff first, he distributed it across his team, was pally with the head of the UCI, and even had his own drugs man on a scooter during races (if everything is to be believed). The idea that it's a level playing field if you're on drugs is laughable, as pointed out by Dave.How many "journeymen" from that era were great riders who were just principled and clean?
I have no idea what planet u lot are on? Of course he was given the best drugs he was the best rider, why wud u give someone comin in 47th place the best stuff?There is no such thing as a level playing field ever!This starts when little johnny shows a bit more potential for football than someone else, when little daisy wins a beauty pageant for standing upright. It's all driven by ego, yours or someone else's
All you can say is that Lance was the best cheater.
Quote from: Lund on September 17, 2012, 03:00:32 pmAll you can say is that Lance was the best cheater.The most 'effective' cheater... the best ones don't get caught...
What I really want to know is where were u guys when lance was winning the tour every yr, i'll make a pretty broad statement now n say u were watching n cheering for lance winning cos it was a spectacle n good for the sport n he was a beast.