[saltbeef]

As guilty as Jim'll.

why have both of these taken so long to come out? (I am genuinely asking)

[tomtom]

Both clever, persuasive, manipulative bully's. but both given the space to do it in...

[underground]

 Also a genuine question/ponder... Does the 'lot of work for charity' somehow position such guys above the target line for suspicion to an extent?

I'm sick of hearing the 'Lance beat cancer and made loads for charity' schtick like it makes it all excusable

[butters]

The only way for Lance to save his image would be if he cured cancer...

He's pretty doomed then...

"Most people—including nearly everybody I surveyed while reporting this story—assume that Livestrong funnels large amounts of money into cancer research. Nope. The foundation gave out a total of $20 million in research grants between 1998 and 2005, the year it began phasing out its support of hard science. A note on the foundation’s website informs visitors that, as of 2010, it no longer even accepts research proposals."

Taken from here - an interesting bit of writing about the Livestrong organisation.

[Bubba]

Does the 'lot of work for charity' somehow position such guys above the target line for suspicion to an extent?

It worked pretty well for Jimmy Savile.

[TobyD]

Does the 'lot of work for charity' somehow position such guys above the target line for suspicion to an extent?

It worked pretty well for Jimmy Savile.

 

[ali k]

UCI ratifies USADA's findings. "Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. He deserves to be forgotten."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20008520

Will be interesting to hear the decisions next week about reallocating his titles and prize money. Bye bye Oakley

[mark s]

he is going to need deep pockets for how much he will be paying out for various people wanting money back/court cases

[gingerninja]

so is every racer that used drugs going to have to pay money back? the whole us postal team was doping so thats alot of money. or are the dopers who testified against lance going to be let off cos they helped get lance. 11 dopers let off to get one. what about who they give the titles too now, how do we know they were not on drugs? seems like most of the top boys were doping so should be interesting.

[Snoops]

so is every racer that used drugs going to have to pay money back? the whole us postal team was doping so thats alot of money. or are the dopers who testified against lance going to be let off cos they helped get lance. 11 dopers let off to get one. what about who they give the titles too now, how do we know they were not on drugs? seems like most of the top boys were doping so should be interesting.

Prize money is one thing.
Armstrong sued several people and companies for damages/bonuses for accusing him of doping (including the Times ; http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/13/sport/armstrong-doping-sunday-times/index.html)

That makes him different to a lot of the other dopers...... and he deserves to be countersued for that money and also charged for perjury.

[SA Chris]

He could do time like Archer did!

[tomtom]

I think in a couple of cases he was (with retrospect) quite canny - as he stated he had (and still has) never failed a drugs test - instead of saying he didnt dope..

[fatkid2000]

The sports editorial in The Times suggested that the likes of Dave Millar should have re pay money. I know Dave is seen as a big voice in the peloton on doping - but the guy who wrote it has a point. Mind you he clearly doesn't understand the sport either.

I'm not sure what the answer is. The UCI should be scrapped or re - configured, and why is Contador still riding?

[Snoops]

The UCI should be scrapped or re - configured, and why is Contador still riding?

Word

[Bubba]

he is going to need deep pockets for how much he will be paying out for various people wanting money back/court cases

There was quite an interesting lawyer (specialising in sport) being interviewed about this the other day on R4 - he reckoned it was unlikely Armstrong could be made to pay back very much at all.

[Bonjoy]

Hey now, have a heart you people. He was driven to it by this all consuming need to match his big brother. I mean Stretch was really something else

[tomtom]

he is going to need deep pockets for how much he will be paying out for various people wanting money back/court cases

There was quite an interesting lawyer (specialising in sport) being interviewed about this the other day on R4 - he reckoned it was unlikely Armstrong could be made to pay back very much at all.

That's because he's blown his $$$$ on lawyers

[DaveC]

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/how-dopers-stole-the-best-years-of-my-career-20121026-28aif.html

Interesting column in the Fairfax press over here by former-FDJ rider Brad McGee. Interesting stuff about David Millar and the real reason French riders are never in the running to win the TdF...

[ali k]

Not much new but an interesting interview with David Millar. Some bits in Spanish but mostly English

[Palomides]

Less serious

[Snoops]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20203638

Looks like Verbruggen and  McQuaid might finally get some

[cofe]

"Back in Austin and just layin' around..."



He's clearly not getting the message that those don't belong to him.

[Plattsy]

Armstrong to admit doping to Oprah.... maybe

[cofe]

It's taking place in his home too. What's betting it's in the room with the maillot jaunes above?

[lukeh]

 You couldn't make this up. When is the film out!? Lance to star as himself in an attempt to pay off the lawsuits?