Did whoever took them out strip Evolution, Mutation, the toilet and the stuff on the left? The Evolution ones are always the first I notice.P.S. Dan, I hope you weren't affected by any laziness and took your draws out at the end of every day when you were on Unjustified? (I'll feel like an idiot if you now tell me you did, but there were certainly a bunch of someone's in for a while on the bit after the 7b around that time.)
Most people from time to time will leave draws in if they are intending on visiting again soon, I am no exception, and essentially it is born from convenience (lazy if you want to be cynical).
Did whoever took them out strip Evolution, Mutation, the toilet and the stuff on the left? The Evolution ones are always the first I notice.
We were planning to take the Evolution ones out too but didn't get around to it - they are very obvious from the road - but as we were at the tor to go free climbing not aid climbing and I had to be back for school pick up there was no time. Hopefully the mecca de-equiping will encourage others to remove some of the other insitue draws (maybe even the people whose draws they are?)
I don't know about the access at other crags, but I do know that Raven Tor is owned by the National Trust and they regularly inspect the crag. I also know, having asked them during one such visit, that they neither understand nor like fixed gear and when asked which fixed gear they were referring to it was the situ draws on Mecca. They'd noticed other odds and sods, but the person I spoke to acknowledged that the bolts and odd crab were difficult to see unless you were looking for them.
Anyway, must dash, there's a car badly parked on my street. I'm just going to put the window through, hotwire it and leave it out of sight for the owner to collect when they go out next.
Firstly they could have been nicked.
They are right in the back under the start of the route, well out of sight until you get up to the start of Mecca....ps Joe - hope the biners + slings get back to you ok - felt it someone might be more upset to find the draws had been taken off somewhere when they got to the crag rather than stashed at the bottom...
The point I'm simply trying to make, in a very long winded rant, is that there's been gear in it for years. The mecca kit was new, therefore obviously recently replaced. A quick ask around at the crag would have I.D'd the owner. This in my opinion would have been a more reasonable way of doing things.Just for the record Joe isn't remotely bothered. I just felt it was a bit off side
Presumably whoever removed them didn't know who they belonged too, as they had made no effort to find out. Regardless whether he paid for them or not, it still potentially left him drawless for a session, having driven out there.
that's why I go bouldering.
I have been pondering this thread this week as I've formerly spoken in favour of situ draws because they are so convenient and even left a couple in high up on the Prow before. I realise I was wrong.
Quote from: shark on July 24, 2011, 01:36:17 pmI have been pondering this thread this week as I've formerly spoken in favour of situ draws because they are so convenient and even left a couple in high up on the Prow before. I realise I was wrong. I am thinking along similar lines, i think. However, if they are not visually obvious what is your opinion on leaving them?
What about having a "Perma Gear Amnesty Box" at every crag? This would in itself be "in-situ", so may open a whole new can of worms. Surely worth some consideration though
and maybe this was the week that the national trust turned up and banned us? we'll never know about that one but at least it is no longer a possibility.