[jowgli]

Does anyone know the original start holds used in this problem? The guide vaguely says dyno to the top of the block from the low holes. When I was there a couple of days ago a climber told me to gaston the massive hole with my right whilst using a reasonable sidepull up and left for my left. Is this correct?

If this is the case I think for my height the problem will be more like font 6c rather than 7a+

[Johnny Brown]

guide vaguely says dyno to the top of the block from the low holes

Doesn't sound at all vague to me. I suspect if an intermediate sidepull was intended it would have been mentioned.

edit: on the other hand, if the first ascentionist suggests otherwise - he's right.

[mini]

Yep, as per the horses mouth on the other channel

[AndiT]

  My guidebook says 'Lanky V4' and that sidepulls are in.

It was a nice evening though, eh!

[jowgli]

ye it was quality not trying to undermine your beta lol but looking for a consencus. Did phil or joe latch mean ol' bastard in the end??
I reckon those rocks were a few of the only dry boulders in the peak

[Gus]

The way I remember me, Andi and Mark doing Apocalypse now back in the day wasn't from the holes at all, but instead from matched on a very low, left facing side pull? Andi can you confirm this. I remember it being really weird as you can't push off your feet very much so a bit of lank helps!