do you do any mantleing st hubbin. the guys who i let train with me sometimes like saltbeef, dobbin, and paul b where all into muscle ups, whereas i shunned them stating they were useless for climbing, the fact i couldn't do them should be ignored. of the four of us only one was half useful at mantles, i'm sure the other 3 won't mind me pointing that out. what i'm saying is the only thing muscle ups are good for is impressing young girls and idiots down at the works